Question: When is the right time to stop for a cyclist who has the right of way? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T10:22:01Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?feed=yes&xn_auth=noTricolor said:
Oh dear, someo…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-16:2211490:Comment:6174212012-11-16T16:59:17.141ZGabeW (not the other Gabe)https://thechainlink.org/profile/Gabe30
<p><cite>Tricolor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/12-12-12?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A617345&x=1#2211490Comment617342"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Oh dear, someone's been following me from forum to forum? The original thread that started it all is pretty good.</p>
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<p>Now that I know...</p>
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<p><cite>Tricolor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/12-12-12?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A617345&x=1#2211490Comment617342"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Oh dear, someone's been following me from forum to forum? The original thread that started it all is pretty good.</p>
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<p>Now that I know...</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616678"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Automatic transmission, for one.</p>
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</div> So important. I have a broth…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-15:2211490:Comment:6168382012-11-15T01:59:47.731ZLisa Curciohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/LisaCurcio
<p>So important. I have a brother-in-law who has been in a lot of car on car crashes. In most of them, he had the "right of way". But, so what? He was still involved in a crash and there was still damage/injury. If each of us is a defensive driver, we lessen the chance of having such a thing happen.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>kiltedcelt said:…</cite></p>
<p>So important. I have a brother-in-law who has been in a lot of car on car crashes. In most of them, he had the "right of way". But, so what? He was still involved in a crash and there was still damage/injury. If each of us is a defensive driver, we lessen the chance of having such a thing happen.<br/> <br/> <cite>kiltedcelt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A617024&x=1#2211490Comment616767"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>. . . . what can we learn from their misfortune to prevent such a thing happening to ourselves?</p>
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</blockquote> No one is calling the driver…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-15:2211490:Comment:6170242012-11-15T01:15:53.329ZWillhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/WillV
<p>No one is calling the driver an oblivious murdering psychopath, but according to the story, the Durango police seem determined to cite her.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>kiltedcelt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A616338&page=2#2211490Comment616767"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not absolving the driver, simply making a point that unless we know all…</p>
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<p>No one is calling the driver an oblivious murdering psychopath, but according to the story, the Durango police seem determined to cite her.<br/> <br/> <cite>kiltedcelt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A616338&page=2#2211490Comment616767"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm not absolving the driver, simply making a point that unless we know all the facts we shouldn't roundly condemn every driver for being an oblivious murdering psychopath. Yeah, the SUV driver was probably driving and not paying close enough attention and it might be the case that the cyclist wasn't paying attention either. Just because she (the cyclist), had some impressive cycling under her belt doesn't mean that she was incapable of making simple stupid mistakes. When I read these stories I don't automatically jump to being enraged at the "cagers". Instead, I try to read between the lines and figure out if there's any indication as to why the collision occurred. Collisions aren't always blameless. In these sorts of discussion it's not always the best idea to demonize the drivers but instead to try to figure out why it happened, and if the cyclist was somewhat at fault, what can we learn from their misfortune to prevent such a thing happening to ourselves?</p>
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</blockquote> I've seen automatic transmiss…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6170192012-11-14T23:21:30.777ZWillhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/WillV
<p>I've seen automatic transmission vehicles stall on very sudden stops. I don't think the transmission had anything to do with this crash, it seems like the driver was either turning left at a somewhat high rate of speed, or was distracted enough to have a seriously impaired response time.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>notoriousDUG said:…</cite></p>
<p>I've seen automatic transmission vehicles stall on very sudden stops. I don't think the transmission had anything to do with this crash, it seems like the driver was either turning left at a somewhat high rate of speed, or was distracted enough to have a seriously impaired response time.<br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A616722&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment616742"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Wrong. </p>
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<p>A manual transmission will not stall on the spot after a collision unless it hits something solid enough to slow the vehicle to a speed where engine RPM would be below idle speed.<br/> <br/></p>
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</blockquote> Just because cars are stopped…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6169172012-11-14T23:18:03.751ZWillhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/WillV
<p>Just because cars are stopped to allow a car to turn left, doesn't absolve the driver of that car from making sure there is no other oncoming traffic. I agree the cyclist should be extra aware in that particular situation, but it's still the driver's fault, if a crash occurs.</p>
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<p>Just because cars are stopped to allow a car to turn left, doesn't absolve the driver of that car from making sure there is no other oncoming traffic. I agree the cyclist should be extra aware in that particular situation, but it's still the driver's fault, if a crash occurs.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A616722&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment616722"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>As with all of these articles, we can't know exactly what occurred and whether the cyclist was to blame in any way. I'm certainly not saying this is the case here, but since the SUV was turning across traffic into a parking lot, a lot of people will do that at a very quick speed to avoid being held up by rapidly approaching oncoming traffic. There was a video over on Bikeforums I think in the commuter forum. Anyway that thread was about bike cam usage and a guy posted a video where he got creamed by a guy in an SUV turning into a parking lot. The kicker is the cyclist was riding in the bike lane past stopped cars towards the gap that other drivers had left going into the parking lot. Sure the SUV driver should have been more aware so that he would see the approaching cyclist, but at the same time, the cyclist should have been doubly aware that he was approaching a gap where there could be vehicles turning across his path. We don't know all the facts in this case and of course I wish the cyclist a full recovery. We have to be careful to not always demonize the driver of a car in an collision with a cyclist. It's not always only the driver's fault. I'm not trying to play devil's advocate here, I'm just saying we all get worked up when a news article makes mention of a cyclist as not wearing a helmet as if somehow they were thus, asking to be hit. Let's try to apply the same even-handedness when reading these articles.</p>
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A manual transmissio…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6167422012-11-14T22:11:33.846ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
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<p>A manual transmission will not stall on the spot after a collision unless it hits something solid enough to slow the vehicle to a speed where engine RPM would be below idle speed.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Tricolor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A617001&x=1#2211490Comment617001"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It has a…</p>
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<p>A manual transmission will not stall on the spot after a collision unless it hits something solid enough to slow the vehicle to a speed where engine RPM would be below idle speed.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tricolor said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A617001&x=1#2211490Comment617001"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It has a lot to do with how the car behaves after the collision. Combined with the indecision and panic of of the situation it's the difference between stalling on the spot and continuing to drive ahead until you have the presence of mind to apply the brake.<br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616649"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>What would that have to do with anything?</p>
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<p>It has nothing to do with the car; this is purely somebody not paying attention.</p>
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</blockquote> It has a lot to do with how t…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6170012012-11-14T21:43:36.718ZTricolorhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Tricolor
<p>It has a lot to do with how the car behaves after the collision. Combined with the indecision and panic of of the situation it's the difference between stalling on the spot and continuing to drive ahead until you have the presence of mind to apply the brake.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>notoriousDUG said:…</cite></p>
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<p>It has a lot to do with how the car behaves after the collision. Combined with the indecision and panic of of the situation it's the difference between stalling on the spot and continuing to drive ahead until you have the presence of mind to apply the brake.<br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616649"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>What would that have to do with anything?</p>
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<p>It has nothing to do with the car; this is purely somebody not paying attention.</p>
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</blockquote> Exactly. I find it difficult…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6166522012-11-14T17:24:50.336ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Exactly. I find it difficult to have any sympathy for the driver under these circumstances. I hope the cyclist is able to eventually regain some reasonable quality of life. That's likely to take a very long time. After having her pelvis shattered, I wonder if she'll ever be able to ride again.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Dovah Cat said:…</cite></p>
<p>Exactly. I find it difficult to have any sympathy for the driver under these circumstances. I hope the cyclist is able to eventually regain some reasonable quality of life. That's likely to take a very long time. After having her pelvis shattered, I wonder if she'll ever be able to ride again.<br/> <br/> <cite>Dovah Cat said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616531"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>The first article mentions that the cyclist was thrown onto the hood of the truck before having her pelvis crushed (!) by both sets of wheels. Doubly alarming. Anyone who somehow ignored the body on their windshield to drive on and cause more damage is horribly unfit to drive such a large and dangerous vehicle. <br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616341"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think it is pretty alarming that she was run over <strong>by both wheels</strong> of the car that hit her; that indicates that not only did the driver not see her but she had a serious lag in any kind of response to having hit the victim.</p>
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</blockquote> What would that have to do wi…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6166492012-11-14T15:56:49.894ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>What would that have to do with anything?</p>
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<p>It has nothing to do with the car; this is purely somebody not paying attention.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tricolor said:</cite></p>
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<p>What would that have to do with anything?</p>
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<p>It has nothing to do with the car; this is purely somebody not paying attention.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tricolor said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> agreed. That person I'm sure…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-14:2211490:Comment:6166382012-11-14T15:28:18.390ZJulie Aberman (Hochstadter)https://thechainlink.org/profile/JulieHochstadter
<p>agreed. That person I'm sure is going through hell and will be for the rest of her life.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Lisa Curcio said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616507"><div><p>Although I am sure any normal human being would be distraught, my reaction exactly.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Ash L. said:…</cite></p>
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<p>agreed. That person I'm sure is going through hell and will be for the rest of her life.<br/> <br/> <cite>Lisa Curcio said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the#2211490Comment616507"><div><p>Although I am sure any normal human being would be distraught, my reaction exactly.<br/> <br/> <cite>Ash L. said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/question-when-is-the-right-time-to-stop-for-a-cyclist-who-has-the?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A616612&x=1#2211490Comment616612"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>And the leading photo is the driver being comforted. Clearly the paper's priority is in the right place.</p>
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