New member intro + an IGH question - The Chainlink2024-03-28T21:45:51Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI've noticed the weather part…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-17:2211490:Comment:6276852012-12-17T14:09:58.649ZMike Bullis 5.5-6.5 mileshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MikeBullis
<p>I've noticed the weather part, but I've commuted for eight suburban winters and need a break. Besides, I've been on the road for the last seven weeks, so not commuting by bike is a moot point.</p>
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<p>As to greasing of bearings, I've had really good results with blue marine grease. Water proof and not easily washed out by oils. And, just to turn this into a 'What is the best lube for an IG hub?' thread, I use Mobil1 0-40 only because it's what's in my garage.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>kevin…</cite></p>
<p>I've noticed the weather part, but I've commuted for eight suburban winters and need a break. Besides, I've been on the road for the last seven weeks, so not commuting by bike is a moot point.</p>
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<p>As to greasing of bearings, I've had really good results with blue marine grease. Water proof and not easily washed out by oils. And, just to turn this into a 'What is the best lube for an IG hub?' thread, I use Mobil1 0-40 only because it's what's in my garage.<br/> <br/> <cite>kevin womac said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A626099&page=3#2211490Comment627546"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Mike, I beg you to reconsider. So far this has been the calmest fall in years. Winter is not so bad, and this year it promises to stay warm.<br/> <br/> <cite>Mike Bullis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626930&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626930"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br/><p>Plan on doing the oil conversion to the Alfine sometime in the future. Just decided not to commute this winter.</p>
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</blockquote> Your first 5speed comment had…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-17:2211490:Comment:6275832012-12-17T01:54:06.888Zkevin womachttps://thechainlink.org/profile/kevinwomac
<p>Your first 5speed comment had funny grammer- that's all.</p>
<p>I'd love to call up Aaron's and find out what they do. They advertise in Momentum mag. My instinct is that is a guarded secret. We've been fond of that red sticky grease (RocknRoll) for hub overhauls. I sometimes buy it from homedepot made by Lucas Oil. I went to Lucas Oil's site and found that the grease they sell that looks like Park Polylube is more recommended for bicycle parts according to it's characteristics…</p>
<p>Your first 5speed comment had funny grammer- that's all.</p>
<p>I'd love to call up Aaron's and find out what they do. They advertise in Momentum mag. My instinct is that is a guarded secret. We've been fond of that red sticky grease (RocknRoll) for hub overhauls. I sometimes buy it from homedepot made by Lucas Oil. I went to Lucas Oil's site and found that the grease they sell that looks like Park Polylube is more recommended for bicycle parts according to it's characteristics (waterproofness, etc). I just like the red sticky stuff. It's stickyness makes me think it will stay in place longer. I suppose a good test would be to overhaul my own parts (hubs and BB) with red on one side and green on the other, and check every few months. (most of my hubs and BB's are sealed Cartridge style though).</p>
<p>As far as oil bathness (see comment below by Mike Bullis) SA hubs still need grease for their bearings. It helps to pull the hub apart once in a while to add grease to the three bearing sets.</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626930&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626815"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I have not really seen problems with the 5 speed</p>
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<p>Are they using a different grease when they overhaul them? It seems like the issue is the grease washing out and letting the hub shell and bearings rust. </p>
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</blockquote> Mike, I beg you to reconsider…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-17:2211490:Comment:6275462012-12-17T01:42:46.459Zkevin womachttps://thechainlink.org/profile/kevinwomac
<p>Mike, I beg you to reconsider. So far this has been the calmest fall in years. Winter is not so bad, and this year it promises to stay warm.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Mike Bullis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626930&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626930"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br></br><p>Plan on doing the oil conversion to the Alfine sometime in the future. Just decided…</p>
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<p>Mike, I beg you to reconsider. So far this has been the calmest fall in years. Winter is not so bad, and this year it promises to stay warm.<br/> <br/> <cite>Mike Bullis said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626930&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626930"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br/><p>Plan on doing the oil conversion to the Alfine sometime in the future. Just decided not to commute this winter.</p>
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</blockquote> My kind of thread.:) Most all…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-15:2211490:Comment:6269302012-12-15T00:59:20.840ZMike Bullis 5.5-6.5 mileshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MikeBullis
<p>My kind of thread.:) Most all my bikes have geared hubs.</p>
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<p>I have experience with older SA 5 speeds, the S5 series. Simple hub and works very well if you ditch the original shifter(s) and go with a standard SA shifter for the right side and a friction shifter for the left. Know nothing about the single shifter 5 speeds.</p>
<p>I did convert my Sram S7 to oil lube after condensation formed in the hub(unheated garage) and rusted the thrust key to the axle and fucked up the…</p>
<p>My kind of thread.:) Most all my bikes have geared hubs.</p>
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<p>I have experience with older SA 5 speeds, the S5 series. Simple hub and works very well if you ditch the original shifter(s) and go with a standard SA shifter for the right side and a friction shifter for the left. Know nothing about the single shifter 5 speeds.</p>
<p>I did convert my Sram S7 to oil lube after condensation formed in the hub(unheated garage) and rusted the thrust key to the axle and fucked up the shifting. I found absolutely no grease in the center of the axle. Freed that up, drilled a hole in the shell and threaded it for a SA oiler. Couple drops of oil when I think about it and no issues for the last two years.</p>
<p>Plan on doing the oil conversion to the Alfine sometime in the future. Just decided not to commute this winter.</p> I have not really seen proble…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-14:2211490:Comment:6268152012-12-14T23:07:53.590ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>I have not really seen problems with the 5 speed other than a one that was killed by the owner getting the adjustment wrong. But I have not seen that many of them compared to other hubs.</p>
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<p>Are they using a different grease when they overhaul them? It seems like the issue is the grease washing out and letting the hub shell and bearings rust. <br></br> <br></br> <cite><span class="GRcorrect">kevin</span> <span class="GRcorrect">womac</span> said:…</cite></p>
<p>I have not really seen problems with the 5 speed other than a one that was killed by the owner getting the adjustment wrong. But I have not seen that many of them compared to other hubs.</p>
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<p>Are they using a different grease when they overhaul them? It seems like the issue is the grease washing out and letting the hub shell and bearings rust. <br/> <br/> <cite><span class="GRcorrect">kevin</span> <span class="GRcorrect">womac</span> said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A626099&page=3#2211490Comment626467"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Yeah, that's the cashed bit I was talking about. I've heard that Aaron's <span class="GRcorrect">Bikeshop</span> in Seattle overhauls every nexus before they sell it because of this. The bearing race/cup rusts out, the balls are tiny and rust up too, and the 'cone' goes bad. <span class="GRcorrect">two</span> of the three are <span class="GRcorrect">replaceabe</span>.</p>
<p>I'm a little confused about your 5 speed comment Doug. Have you had trouble?<br/> <br/> <cite><span class="GRcorrect">notoriousDUG</span> said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626621&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626621"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I question if the <span class="GRcorrect">shimano</span> hubs are sealed well enough for winter riding; not just the lubrication. I have seen two of them where the <span class="GRcorrect">drive</span> side of the shell had the bearing race rust out to the point the hub was ruined; have you seen this at all?<br/></p>
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</blockquote> Yeah, that's the cashed bit I…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-14:2211490:Comment:6264672012-12-14T19:16:10.664Zkevin womachttps://thechainlink.org/profile/kevinwomac
<p>Yeah, that's the cashed bit I was talking about. I've heard that Aaron's Bikeshop in Seattle overhauls every nexus before they sell it because of this. The bearing race/cup rusts out, the balls are tiny and rust up too, and the 'cone' goes bad. two of the three are replaceabe.</p>
<p>I'm a little confused about your 5 speed comment Doug. Have you had trouble?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>notoriousDUG said:…</cite></p>
<p>Yeah, that's the cashed bit I was talking about. I've heard that Aaron's Bikeshop in Seattle overhauls every nexus before they sell it because of this. The bearing race/cup rusts out, the balls are tiny and rust up too, and the 'cone' goes bad. two of the three are replaceabe.</p>
<p>I'm a little confused about your 5 speed comment Doug. Have you had trouble?<br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626621&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626621"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I question if the <span class="GRcorrect">shimano</span> hubs are sealed well enough for winter riding; not just the lubrication. I have seen two of them where the <span class="GRcorrect">drive</span> side of the shell had the bearing race rust out to the point the hub was ruined; have you seen this at all?<br/> <br/></p>
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</blockquote> We've sold about fifty or six…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-14:2211490:Comment:6265542012-12-14T18:56:44.331Zkevin womachttps://thechainlink.org/profile/kevinwomac
<p>We've sold about fifty or sixty SA 5 speed hubs (on Pashley's and Torkers). two of them have had trouble, and in both cases the shift cable was reattached incorrectly by other shops changing flats. When the cable is out of adjustment, the clutch and drivers are out of position, leading to trouble and wear (shimano hubs are a little more forgiving of misadjustments). Other than that, I think they rock! the shifter can be used as a thumb shifter, or a downtube shifter, or even a barend…</p>
<p>We've sold about fifty or sixty SA 5 speed hubs (on Pashley's and Torkers). two of them have had trouble, and in both cases the shift cable was reattached incorrectly by other shops changing flats. When the cable is out of adjustment, the clutch and drivers are out of position, leading to trouble and wear (shimano hubs are a little more forgiving of misadjustments). Other than that, I think they rock! the shifter can be used as a thumb shifter, or a downtube shifter, or even a barend shifter- which creates my favorite style of bike- the 5speed dropbar commuter. We have a Handsome Cycles built up this way right now.<br/> <br/> <cite>Cameron Puetz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626363&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment626363"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Any experience with the Sturmey 5 speeds?</p>
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</blockquote> Will do, likely sometime afte…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-14:2211490:Comment:6266812012-12-14T17:48:14.527ZDan Allisonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DanAllison
<p>Will do, likely sometime after the holidays. Thanks again for all your help.</p>
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<p><br></br> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
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<p>Will do, likely sometime after the holidays. Thanks again for all your help.</p>
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<p><br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> Nothing long term but none of…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-14:2211490:Comment:6266222012-12-14T16:42:57.746ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>Nothing long term but none of the blow up in a month of riding issues I have experienced with the 5 speed.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Cameron Puetz said:</cite></p>
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<p>Nothing long term but none of the blow up in a month of riding issues I have experienced with the 5 speed.<br/> <br/> <cite>Cameron Puetz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626363&x=1#2211490Comment626363"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Any experience with the Sturmey 5 speeds?<br/> <br/> <cite><span class="GRcorrect">notoriousDUG</span> said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A626099&page=1#2211490Comment626054"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Sturmey 3 speeds old and new are very durable baring the coaster <span class="GRcorrect">break</span> version. Same for modern Shimano 3 speeds. More gears can often equal more problems. I am not a fan of the Sturmey 8 but the Shimano 7 and 8 speeds seem to be pretty trouble free.</p>
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</blockquote> I question if the shimano hub…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-12-14:2211490:Comment:6266212012-12-14T16:42:12.556ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>I question if the <span class="GRcorrect">shimano</span> hubs are sealed well enough for winter riding; not just the lubrication. I have seen two of them where the <span class="GRcorrect">drive</span> side of the shell had the bearing race rust out to the point the hub was ruined; have you seen this at all?<br></br> <br></br> <cite><span class="GRcorrect">kevin</span> <span class="GRcorrect">womac</span> said:…</cite></p>
<p>I question if the <span class="GRcorrect">shimano</span> hubs are sealed well enough for winter riding; not just the lubrication. I have seen two of them where the <span class="GRcorrect">drive</span> side of the shell had the bearing race rust out to the point the hub was ruined; have you seen this at all?<br/> <br/> <cite><span class="GRcorrect">kevin</span> <span class="GRcorrect">womac</span> said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/new-member-intro-an-igh-question?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A626363&x=1#2211490Comment626613"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I like Doug's last reply. <span class="GRcorrect">a</span> <span class="GRcorrect">shimano</span> hub that hasn't seen maintenance soon enough is often cashed. Shimano doesn't make the individual pieces readily available for the <span class="GRcorrect">alfines</span> and nexus hubs. The bearing surfaces, <span class="GRcorrect">esp</span> on the drive side wear quite quickly. <span class="GRcorrect">the</span> factory grease on the bearings is not sufficient for year round riding in my opinion. The lubrication of the gear mechanisms is usually fine. The oil bath <span class="GRcorrect">shimano</span> recommends is convenient (we have a set-up). <span class="GRcorrect">but</span> really the old grease needs to be removed first to really accomplish something, and <span class="GRcorrect">that''s</span> not easy. Shimano hubs don't come apart all that much (which also makes the bath convenient). I really like the simplicity of Sturmey Archer hubs. I've got a 1956 3spd that has been kicking it fine for me for the last twelve years. <span class="GRcorrect">Low medium</span> high. That's all you need.</p>
<p>Another issue with IGH bikes is their continuous housing runs. Lots of opportunity for added friction. It's hard to get oil into the cable housing for smooth operation/shifting. Often times a new cable oiled up nicely is all it takes to improve functionality.</p>
<p>You can stop by Boulevard Bikes if you want me to take a look at the hub too.</p>
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