Kind of a Missed Connection but Interesting Interpretive Question Raised by Raging Driver - The Chainlink2024-03-28T14:19:12Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/kind-of-a-missed-connection-but-interesting-interpretive-question?feed=yes&xn_auth=noAgree with that David P. The…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-15:2211490:Comment:10144522016-09-15T17:26:13.694ZWuffiehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Wuffie
<p>Agree with that David P. The interpretive challenge is in part due to the fact that the stop sign is on the west side of the on/off ramps for LSD and there is another 20/30 feet from the on/off ramps until the LFP. Does the stop sign mean that a car must yield to both vehicles on the on/off ramps and the path? I think some drivers assume that once the on/off ramp is cleared that LFP traffic not yet in the roadway must yield to vehicles in the roadway. </p>
<p>Agree with that David P. The interpretive challenge is in part due to the fact that the stop sign is on the west side of the on/off ramps for LSD and there is another 20/30 feet from the on/off ramps until the LFP. Does the stop sign mean that a car must yield to both vehicles on the on/off ramps and the path? I think some drivers assume that once the on/off ramp is cleared that LFP traffic not yet in the roadway must yield to vehicles in the roadway. </p> 'Yield' means yield to traffi…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-15:2211490:Comment:10145102016-09-15T16:55:22.320ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>'Yield' means yield to traffic already in the intersection. Traffic with stop signs must stop and yield both to other motorized traffic that has priority, and to trail traffic.</p>
<p>'Yield' means yield to traffic already in the intersection. Traffic with stop signs must stop and yield both to other motorized traffic that has priority, and to trail traffic.</p> Now THAT's the understatement…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-09:2211490:Comment:10133692016-09-09T16:05:23.001ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Now THAT's the understatement of the year.</p>
<p>Now THAT's the understatement of the year.</p> Yeah, there are many so-calle…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-08:2211490:Comment:10135052016-09-08T18:18:28.483Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>Yeah, there are many so-called adults who clearly never learned sharing as children.</p>
<p>Yeah, there are many so-called adults who clearly never learned sharing as children.</p> I'm with you on that. Right…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-08:2211490:Comment:10130792016-09-08T02:52:03.020ZJim Rehohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JimReho
<p>I'm with you on that. Right now I'm avoiding taking the LFP north because of the unholy mess around Navy Pier. I'll make a note to myself to watch out for this in, say, the summer of 2018 or when they complete the project, whichever comes first. </p>
<p>I'm with you on that. Right now I'm avoiding taking the LFP north because of the unholy mess around Navy Pier. I'll make a note to myself to watch out for this in, say, the summer of 2018 or when they complete the project, whichever comes first. </p> Who would be the best advocat…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-07:2211490:Comment:10128692016-09-07T22:52:58.372ZWuffiehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Wuffie
<p>Who would be the best advocate to get whomever is responsible to make a change designed to clarify rights and responsibilities at these intersections? Active Trans? I suspect this is already on someone's list but it couldn't hurt to follow up.</p>
<p>Who would be the best advocate to get whomever is responsible to make a change designed to clarify rights and responsibilities at these intersections? Active Trans? I suspect this is already on someone's list but it couldn't hurt to follow up.</p> That's definitely worth a lot…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-07:2211490:Comment:10129062016-09-07T15:53:02.595ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>That's definitely worth a lot. Having confusing signage is a recipe for continued problems on a path with so much traffic.</p>
<p>That's definitely worth a lot. Having confusing signage is a recipe for continued problems on a path with so much traffic.</p> I approach these intersection…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-07:2211490:Comment:10129022016-09-07T14:51:17.316ZPaul Lazzarohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PaulLazzaro
<p>I approach these intersections expecting the drivers to stop, but going slowly enough that they can see me approaching and so that I can stop if they don't. I also make eye contact with drivers, and give a shout if they are not looking at me.</p>
<p>The yield signs lead to a lot of confusion, with most cyclists proceeding more or less as I do, some crossing the streets at full speed, and others coming to a complete stop, waiting for the cars to pass.</p>
<p>I approach these intersections expecting the drivers to stop, but going slowly enough that they can see me approaching and so that I can stop if they don't. I also make eye contact with drivers, and give a shout if they are not looking at me.</p>
<p>The yield signs lead to a lot of confusion, with most cyclists proceeding more or less as I do, some crossing the streets at full speed, and others coming to a complete stop, waiting for the cars to pass.</p> Good question John. I don't…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-07:2211490:Comment:10128982016-09-07T14:40:47.382ZWuffiehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Wuffie
<p>Good question John. I don't know.</p>
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<p>Seems like a good, cheap clarification would be to pull down the yield signs on the bike path and add a yield sign to the street that clarifies that cars need to yield to bikes, bladers, runners and walkers on the path.</p>
<p>As for pedestrians on the sidewalk crossing the path, it might be good to have signs that say that LFP traffic does not stop and to look both ways before entering the path.</p>
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<p>Good question John. I don't know.</p>
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<p>Seems like a good, cheap clarification would be to pull down the yield signs on the bike path and add a yield sign to the street that clarifies that cars need to yield to bikes, bladers, runners and walkers on the path.</p>
<p>As for pedestrians on the sidewalk crossing the path, it might be good to have signs that say that LFP traffic does not stop and to look both ways before entering the path.</p>
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<p></p> The signage is really confusi…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-09-07:2211490:Comment:10128952016-09-07T14:39:21.361ZPaul Lazzarohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PaulLazzaro
<p>The signage is really confusing. Are cyclists supposed to yield to stopped vehicles? This issue was discussed recently in Streetsblog Chicago.</p>
<p><a href="http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/06/24/an-epidemic-of-bike-crashes-bad-trail-design-may-have-cause-one-of-them/" target="_blank">http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/06/24/an-epidemic-of-bike-crashes-bad-trail-design-may-have-cause-one-of-them/</a></p>
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<p>The signage is really confusing. Are cyclists supposed to yield to stopped vehicles? This issue was discussed recently in Streetsblog Chicago.</p>
<p><a href="http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/06/24/an-epidemic-of-bike-crashes-bad-trail-design-may-have-cause-one-of-them/" target="_blank">http://chi.streetsblog.org/2016/06/24/an-epidemic-of-bike-crashes-bad-trail-design-may-have-cause-one-of-them/</a></p>
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