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And on that note, I will get the winning route started in the direction as indicated on the winning map.
Who's with me? Will need to be ready to swing into action around 6.
H3N3 said:There's an unfortunate assumption here that having a messy, disorganized ride can be "caused" by a map, or that not having a map guarantees a messy, disorganized ride.
All it takes is a few folks with some pipes on them and a hair of assertiveness working together at the front to get off to a good start, keep the ride massed, pinch off the cowboys, convince the police we've got things under control.
Absolutely no difference in the above whether there happens to be a followed route or not.
I find it absolutely bizarre that all this 'organizing' has not resulted in a single person committing to be at the front and helping as described above.
Kevin Conway said:There's another way to look at this, Gabe. The sooner CCM can demonstrate some responsibility with respect to forbidden zones, the sooner relations with CPD and the city can be repaired/restored. As of yesterday, the CPD had no plans for an increased police presence on July CCM. The map in its current state bears a warning to stay off LSD. I recommend that the police get a copy of the map at least a couple days in advance with the understanding that ramps onto LSD will be corked and to give the CPD the opportunity to do the same. Barbra did a nice job. Give it a chance.
Gabe said:So in order to have fun you must go to the beach, and by extension Lake Shore Drive? An excellent leader leads her soldiers to the slaughter?
You have an underwear theme that no one is gonna know about and many of the thousands you referenced will never know. They will come on the ride and go home wondering why that idiot on LSD was drunk, in his underwear, getting the crap kicked outta him by police.
And the corkers you are planning on having at LSD to keep people from goin on is a fail. Ragbrai will have many of our experienced riders, and if the police get a wiff of the Mass goin there they will have it blocked off anyway.
As i wrote to Andrew, it appears you have us staged to fight with each other and the police. Seems like an excellent plan, Leader.
And every mass is fun so saying you are planning a fun mass is redundant.
Avoid 1 problem like Lake Shore Drive and you make yourself a better leader. Take everyone there and you are trying to get into trouble.
And whatever you wrote as a reply is some awful mix of happy, condescension, and an attempt to stay cool all at the same time. It's awful. Argue or be happy or be insulting but don't try all of it so that you are still somehow cool or neutral. Being a leader would mean sticking your neck out and possibly not making friends, or worse angering a friend.
I've already told Barbra that I'll help at the front.
I will also help where needed
H3N3 said:And on that note, I will get the winning route started in the direction as indicated on the winning map.
Who's with me? Will need to be ready to swing into action around 6.
H3N3 said:There's an unfortunate assumption here that having a messy, disorganized ride can be "caused" by a map, or that not having a map guarantees a messy, disorganized ride.
All it takes is a few folks with some pipes on them and a hair of assertiveness working together at the front to get off to a good start, keep the ride massed, pinch off the cowboys, convince the police we've got things under control.
Absolutely no difference in the above whether there happens to be a followed route or not.
I find it absolutely bizarre that all this 'organizing' has not resulted in a single person committing to be at the front and helping as described above.
Kevin Conway said:There's another way to look at this, Gabe. The sooner CCM can demonstrate some responsibility with respect to forbidden zones, the sooner relations with CPD and the city can be repaired/restored. As of yesterday, the CPD had no plans for an increased police presence on July CCM. The map in its current state bears a warning to stay off LSD. I recommend that the police get a copy of the map at least a couple days in advance with the understanding that ramps onto LSD will be corked and to give the CPD the opportunity to do the same. Barbra did a nice job. Give it a chance.
Gabe said:So in order to have fun you must go to the beach, and by extension Lake Shore Drive? An excellent leader leads her soldiers to the slaughter?
You have an underwear theme that no one is gonna know about and many of the thousands you referenced will never know. They will come on the ride and go home wondering why that idiot on LSD was drunk, in his underwear, getting the crap kicked outta him by police.
And the corkers you are planning on having at LSD to keep people from goin on is a fail. Ragbrai will have many of our experienced riders, and if the police get a wiff of the Mass goin there they will have it blocked off anyway.
As i wrote to Andrew, it appears you have us staged to fight with each other and the police. Seems like an excellent plan, Leader.
And every mass is fun so saying you are planning a fun mass is redundant.
Avoid 1 problem like Lake Shore Drive and you make yourself a better leader. Take everyone there and you are trying to get into trouble.
And whatever you wrote as a reply is some awful mix of happy, condescension, and an attempt to stay cool all at the same time. It's awful. Argue or be happy or be insulting but don't try all of it so that you are still somehow cool or neutral. Being a leader would mean sticking your neck out and possibly not making friends, or worse angering a friend.
jamimaria said:I've already told Barbra that I'll help at the front.
That's cool, and the balloons of authority have certainly seemed to be helpful on past rides; but it's not guaranteed that Barbara's ride will be chosen if there are competing routes, or it could be chosen and there could be a 'hijacking' early in the ride (etc. etc.)-- does that mean you'll help if another route wins that heads in a different direction? Can you be ready to meet at the needed corner by 6?
Cool. Can you call, or text me your number?
773/710-4143
Howard
Paul Gurns said:I will also help where needed
H3N3 said:And on that note, I will get the winning route started in the direction as indicated on the winning map.
Who's with me? Will need to be ready to swing into action around 6.
H3N3 said:There's an unfortunate assumption here that having a messy, disorganized ride can be "caused" by a map, or that not having a map guarantees a messy, disorganized ride.
All it takes is a few folks with some pipes on them and a hair of assertiveness working together at the front to get off to a good start, keep the ride massed, pinch off the cowboys, convince the police we've got things under control.
Absolutely no difference in the above whether there happens to be a followed route or not.
I find it absolutely bizarre that all this 'organizing' has not resulted in a single person committing to be at the front and helping as described above.
Kevin Conway said:There's another way to look at this, Gabe. The sooner CCM can demonstrate some responsibility with respect to forbidden zones, the sooner relations with CPD and the city can be repaired/restored. As of yesterday, the CPD had no plans for an increased police presence on July CCM. The map in its current state bears a warning to stay off LSD. I recommend that the police get a copy of the map at least a couple days in advance with the understanding that ramps onto LSD will be corked and to give the CPD the opportunity to do the same. Barbra did a nice job. Give it a chance.
Gabe said:So in order to have fun you must go to the beach, and by extension Lake Shore Drive? An excellent leader leads her soldiers to the slaughter?
You have an underwear theme that no one is gonna know about and many of the thousands you referenced will never know. They will come on the ride and go home wondering why that idiot on LSD was drunk, in his underwear, getting the crap kicked outta him by police.
And the corkers you are planning on having at LSD to keep people from goin on is a fail. Ragbrai will have many of our experienced riders, and if the police get a wiff of the Mass goin there they will have it blocked off anyway.
As i wrote to Andrew, it appears you have us staged to fight with each other and the police. Seems like an excellent plan, Leader.
And every mass is fun so saying you are planning a fun mass is redundant.
Avoid 1 problem like Lake Shore Drive and you make yourself a better leader. Take everyone there and you are trying to get into trouble.
And whatever you wrote as a reply is some awful mix of happy, condescension, and an attempt to stay cool all at the same time. It's awful. Argue or be happy or be insulting but don't try all of it so that you are still somehow cool or neutral. Being a leader would mean sticking your neck out and possibly not making friends, or worse angering a friend.
Barbara and her friend, Jamie, Paul, Jerry, and now Howard. Those are the people who have committed to volunteer to be in the front without any calls to action. That seems like more than enough to ensure the ride is calm and fun. One would have to be a super hijacker to pull off a switcheroo and get the ride off on a bad start or into the danger zone.
But just to put Gabe's paranoid delusions of conspiracy to rest lets ask Jerry to contact Commander Kathleen Boehmer of the 23rd to see if she'll put some CCW friendly cops at the corners of LSD? If we reach out to them, put it on the map and generally play down any suggestion of LSD I think we can have fun at the beach without any guilt. I don't think we should stay away from such a perfect end point just out of fear of what may or may not happen. That's not the spirit of the Mass.
And on that note, I'm bowing out of the conversation. There are more than enough people who have volunteered to help and I feel I cannot possibly contribute anything more than what everyone else is contributing. There may be too many people helping. So if my assistance is needed I will gladly help out in anyway possible but otherwise I think I will just focus on making a solid four hour set to play while on Todd's trailer.
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