Incredibly unsafe Left Turn Green Light @ Chicago & Wells - The Chainlink2024-03-29T05:12:42Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/incredibly-unsafe-left-turn-green-light-chicago-wells?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI ride through this intersect…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-11-16:2211490:Comment:11100122018-11-16T18:59:10.548ZBrian Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BrianS
<p>I ride through this intersection a few times a week. It's not the turn signal that's dangerous. It's your behavior. Wait for the walk signal.</p>
<p>I ride through this intersection a few times a week. It's not the turn signal that's dangerous. It's your behavior. Wait for the walk signal.</p> People can read; you admitted…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-26:2211490:Comment:11086242018-10-26T02:31:01.901ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>People can read; you admitted you made the mistake but you specifically call the design of the light 'unsafe.'</p>
<p>People can read; you admitted you made the mistake but you specifically call the design of the light 'unsafe.'</p> Yes, I'm sure I have. tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-25:2211490:Comment:11086182018-10-25T16:16:42.077ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>Yes, I'm sure I have. </p>
<p>Yes, I'm sure I have. </p> Makes sense to me.tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-25:2211490:Comment:11085172018-10-25T14:22:21.194ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Makes sense to me.</p>
<p>Makes sense to me.</p> Out of curiosity David, have…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-24:2211490:Comment:11086142018-10-24T21:35:26.816ZGage B.https://thechainlink.org/profile/GageB
<p>Out of curiosity David, have you ever made a mistake in any sort of traffic because something is out of the ordinary?</p>
<p>Out of curiosity David, have you ever made a mistake in any sort of traffic because something is out of the ordinary?</p> There is such a uniformity, a…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-24:2211490:Comment:11086932018-10-24T21:06:54.814ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>There is such a uniformity, and it is codified in the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices. 'Uniformity' does not mean doing the same thing everywhere - different circumstances, whether of road design or traffic volume or whatever - call for different treatments to problems. In some circumstances, leading turn signals are better and in others it is the opposite. </p>
<p>There is such a uniformity, and it is codified in the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices. 'Uniformity' does not mean doing the same thing everywhere - different circumstances, whether of road design or traffic volume or whatever - call for different treatments to problems. In some circumstances, leading turn signals are better and in others it is the opposite. </p> Conversely, though, this show…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-24:2211490:Comment:11086112018-10-24T17:48:54.572Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>Conversely, though, this shows how supposed predictability breeds dangerous behavior as well. I'm just as guilty, so trust me I'm not throwing stones, but the danger happened here because a road user (in this instance the cyclist) tried to get a jump start on the light cycle based on how he thought they'd work. The rub is nothing is ever 100% predictable. Light cycles get re-timed fairly often, things malfunction, etc. In other words, the whole "predictability" point cuts both ways, as…</p>
<p>Conversely, though, this shows how supposed predictability breeds dangerous behavior as well. I'm just as guilty, so trust me I'm not throwing stones, but the danger happened here because a road user (in this instance the cyclist) tried to get a jump start on the light cycle based on how he thought they'd work. The rub is nothing is ever 100% predictable. Light cycles get re-timed fairly often, things malfunction, etc. In other words, the whole "predictability" point cuts both ways, as people start to naturally think they're safe to cheat the system (and in reality they're not safe to do it ever). </p>
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<p>And for the record, I guess it depends where you ride, but these sort of "green arrow to clear intersection" scenarios aren't as uncommon as people thing, both in Chicago and in other cities. I actually think there should be more when you look at the common traffic back up scenarios people see in the loop and other areas. </p>
<p></p> Of course you must be observa…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-24:2211490:Comment:11086882018-10-24T15:51:00.731ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
<p>Of course you must be observant and never assume when on the road.</p>
<p>My point is, that it would be valuable to all users of the road if there was uniformity in traffic device design which would lend to safety due to its predictability. </p>
<p>Of course you must be observant and never assume when on the road.</p>
<p>My point is, that it would be valuable to all users of the road if there was uniformity in traffic device design which would lend to safety due to its predictability. </p> Lagging left turn signals are…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-24:2211490:Comment:11086872018-10-24T15:16:25.655ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>Lagging left turn signals are not dangerous. The danger here, to the extent there was one, arose from a user not following signals. Driving a car or a bike safely on streets with controlled intersections requires observing signals as they actually exist.</p>
<p>Lagging left turn signals are not dangerous. The danger here, to the extent there was one, arose from a user not following signals. Driving a car or a bike safely on streets with controlled intersections requires observing signals as they actually exist.</p> Never assume.tag:thechainlink.org,2018-10-24:2211490:Comment:11086842018-10-24T14:33:21.830ZTricolorhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Tricolor
<p>Never assume.</p>
<p>Never assume.</p>