Feedback on Habits - The Chainlink2024-03-28T17:21:19Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/feedback-on-habits?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1131533&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noYeah. I think 5' (or a bike…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-12:2211490:Comment:11315332019-11-12T22:10:25.874Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>Yeah. I think 5' (or a bike length) is typically fair. If I find myself consistently closing that gap and having to brake to avoid a rider ahead where the bike lane isn't busy, that's when I know to pass to keep my preferred pace. </p>
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<p>On busy bike lanes like Milwaukee during rush hour on a nice summer day, though, I pretty consistently find myself in forced-together packs of riders giving each other much less space than that. </p>
<p>Yeah. I think 5' (or a bike length) is typically fair. If I find myself consistently closing that gap and having to brake to avoid a rider ahead where the bike lane isn't busy, that's when I know to pass to keep my preferred pace. </p>
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<p>On busy bike lanes like Milwaukee during rush hour on a nice summer day, though, I pretty consistently find myself in forced-together packs of riders giving each other much less space than that. </p> I typically give at least 5'-…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-12:2211490:Comment:11315312019-11-12T21:15:47.682ZPhillip Hutchinsonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PhillipHutchinson
<p>I typically give at least 5'-6' (a bike length?) in a busy bike lane situation once we're up to speed. The only time I'd be closer to another commuter is if we're rolling up to/away from a stop, or if it's someone I know.</p>
<p>Group rides are a totally different situation, where closer proximity is appropriate and expected. </p>
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<p>I've never found "tailgating" to really be an issue when commuting. If someone wants to draft behind me, I'm cool with that as long as they aren't…</p>
<p>I typically give at least 5'-6' (a bike length?) in a busy bike lane situation once we're up to speed. The only time I'd be closer to another commuter is if we're rolling up to/away from a stop, or if it's someone I know.</p>
<p>Group rides are a totally different situation, where closer proximity is appropriate and expected. </p>
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<p>I've never found "tailgating" to really be an issue when commuting. If someone wants to draft behind me, I'm cool with that as long as they aren't crashing into me. </p>
<p></p> headphones: no
talking on cel…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-12:2211490:Comment:11314472019-11-12T20:37:02.446ZPhillip Hutchinsonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PhillipHutchinson
<p>headphones: no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder): no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone w/headset: no</p>
<p>easing through stop w/no cross traffic: stop signs treated like yield signs. Empty red lights treated like stop signs. Busy red lights treated like... red lights. </p>
<p>using clip-in pedals: yes</p>
<p>riding w/no hands: no</p>
<p>riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown: no. I also will wait to pass until I know there's room. </p>
<p>tailgating another rider: 1 bike…</p>
<p>headphones: no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder): no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone w/headset: no</p>
<p>easing through stop w/no cross traffic: stop signs treated like yield signs. Empty red lights treated like stop signs. Busy red lights treated like... red lights. </p>
<p>using clip-in pedals: yes</p>
<p>riding w/no hands: no</p>
<p>riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown: no. I also will wait to pass until I know there's room. </p>
<p>tailgating another rider: 1 bike length in a busy bike lane commute situation. I've never worried much about riders behind me. Draft away, wheel suckers. </p>
<p>using "hand gesture" to drivers that yell or cut you off: Try not to, but sometimes yes. </p>
<p>circling in intersection while waiting on light to turn green: No. Also no on the right turn + U turn on cross streets to avoid stopping. </p>
<p>riding on dirt (i.e. running) paths on lakefront: Yes, but with lots of courtesy extended to runners/walkers. </p>
<p>smoking cigarette/pipe/cigar: no, but I don't really care if others are doing this. Odds are I wouldn't be behind them for very long. </p>
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<p>Interesting that shoaling isn't on this list, or stopping in the middle of crosswalks. Both are related to the circling and right turn/u-turn thing. The number of people in this city that cannot bring themselves to stop behind any other cyclists at a busy red light is pretty stunning. </p> Outside of easing through a s…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-12:2211490:Comment:11316352019-11-12T18:32:22.457Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>Outside of easing through a stop w/ no cross traffic when safe and using clip-in pedals, I'm a "no" to all of the others the vast majority of the time. </p>
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<p>That said, the "tailgating" question is interesting, as I'd imagine there's some difference about what constitutes actual tailgating among different riders. </p>
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<p>I try to leave at least a full bike length between myself and the next rider when possible, though in busy bike lane areas I do maybe shrink that to around…</p>
<p>Outside of easing through a stop w/ no cross traffic when safe and using clip-in pedals, I'm a "no" to all of the others the vast majority of the time. </p>
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<p>That said, the "tailgating" question is interesting, as I'd imagine there's some difference about what constitutes actual tailgating among different riders. </p>
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<p>I try to leave at least a full bike length between myself and the next rider when possible, though in busy bike lane areas I do maybe shrink that to around half or a quarter of a bike length. So I'd say I never "draft" a rider, but I do wonder if some that aren't used to group riding would still consider half a bike length too close. </p>
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<p>In other words, what do people view as actual problematic "tailgating?" </p> Never headphones but I do hav…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-11:2211490:Comment:11316292019-11-11T23:52:08.998ZMike Zumwalthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MikeZumwalt
<p>Never headphones but I do have a speaker on the front of my bag </p>
<p>I'll ease through a stop sign </p>
<p>I gesture to so many drivers it's like it's in a cast </p>
<p>I circle if I'm riding fixed or playing Frogger as I cross Mi ave</p>
<p>I used to ride no hands before I put a rack on the front and wear a cross wind balance destroying delivery bag</p>
<p>Never headphones but I do have a speaker on the front of my bag </p>
<p>I'll ease through a stop sign </p>
<p>I gesture to so many drivers it's like it's in a cast </p>
<p>I circle if I'm riding fixed or playing Frogger as I cross Mi ave</p>
<p>I used to ride no hands before I put a rack on the front and wear a cross wind balance destroying delivery bag</p> Thanks for updating - never s…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-09:2211490:Comment:11316132019-11-09T12:11:30.768ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Thanks for updating - never saw this thread before...</p>
<p>headphones - right ear yes, left ear no (that’s my traffic ear)</p>
<p>talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder) - no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone w/headset - no</p>
<p>easing through stop w/no cross traffic - yes, if it makes me safe. Mostly I wait.</p>
<p>using clip-in pedals - yes</p>
<p>riding w/no hands - rarely</p>
<p>riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown - no</p>
<p>tailgating another rider - only if high traffic or…</p>
<p>Thanks for updating - never saw this thread before...</p>
<p>headphones - right ear yes, left ear no (that’s my traffic ear)</p>
<p>talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder) - no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone w/headset - no</p>
<p>easing through stop w/no cross traffic - yes, if it makes me safe. Mostly I wait.</p>
<p>using clip-in pedals - yes</p>
<p>riding w/no hands - rarely</p>
<p>riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown - no</p>
<p>tailgating another rider - only if high traffic or riding in group w safe following distance </p>
<p>using "hand gesture" to drivers that yell or cut you off - try not to but sometimes a bird flies on its own before I can stop it </p>
<p>circling in intersection while waiting on light to turn green - no</p>
<p>riding on dirt (i.e. running) paths on lakefront - when the opportunity arises, I like dirt, crushed limestone </p>
<p>smoking cigarette/pipe/cigar - no. Ew. I have asthma so I need all the lungs I can get.</p> Checking back in with Chainli…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-09:2211490:Comment:11316932019-11-09T00:38:51.652ZN It 2 Win It 2.0https://thechainlink.org/profile/OrbitJade
<p>Checking back in with Chainlink has been an interesting retrospective. Bumping this to see if sentiments have changed over the past 9 years.</p>
<p>Me?</p>
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<p>headphones - yes</p>
<p>talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder) - mostly no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone w/headset - yes</p>
<p>easing through stop w/no cross traffic - yes</p>
<p>using clip-in pedals - yes</p>
<p>riding w/no hands - no</p>
<p>riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown - no</p>
<p>tailgating another rider -…</p>
<p>Checking back in with Chainlink has been an interesting retrospective. Bumping this to see if sentiments have changed over the past 9 years.</p>
<p>Me?</p>
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<p>headphones - yes</p>
<p>talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder) - mostly no</p>
<p>talking on cell phone w/headset - yes</p>
<p>easing through stop w/no cross traffic - yes</p>
<p>using clip-in pedals - yes</p>
<p>riding w/no hands - no</p>
<p>riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown - no</p>
<p>tailgating another rider - mostly no</p>
<p>using "hand gesture" to drivers that yell or cut you off - mostly no</p>
<p>circling in intersection while waiting on light to turn green - no</p>
<p>riding on dirt (i.e. running) paths on lakefront -sometimes</p>
<p>smoking cigarette/pipe/cigar - no</p> 01: headphones - I've done so…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-11-05:2211490:Comment:2571062010-11-05T20:38:58.928ZNiall Munnellyhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Niall
01: headphones - I've done so on quiet, familiar rail trails, but I think it's a bad idea in traffic.<br />
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02: talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder) - Pull over, please.<br />
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03: talking on cell phone w/headset - "Douche."<br />
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04: easing through stop w/no cross traffic - When there's no one around, sure.<br />
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05: using clip-in pedals - Indifferent. Looks like a pain in the ass.<br />
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06: riding w/no hands - It's a good way to stretch your neck and back or flex sore wrists when there's nothing ahead of or…
01: headphones - I've done so on quiet, familiar rail trails, but I think it's a bad idea in traffic.<br />
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02: talking on cell phone (in hand/on shoulder) - Pull over, please.<br />
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03: talking on cell phone w/headset - "Douche."<br />
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04: easing through stop w/no cross traffic - When there's no one around, sure.<br />
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05: using clip-in pedals - Indifferent. Looks like a pain in the ass.<br />
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06: riding w/no hands - It's a good way to stretch your neck and back or flex sore wrists when there's nothing ahead of or behind you. Riding no-handed down Milwaukee at eight in the morning seems like a bad idea.<br />
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07: riding side-by-side in traffic/downtown - I'm in the "When in doubt, take your rightful place in the lane" camp. Another rider keeping the same pace doesn't seem that bad, Chicago statues be damned. Obviously, there's no good blanket answer to this one.<br />
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08: tailgating another rider - I've never been fast enough to keep a lead or draft, but tailgaters must sure feel secure in their ability to stop.<br />
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09: using "hand gesture" to drivers that yell or cut you off - Cyclists should go safely and smartly, as should motorists. If one party violates that compact, then by all means, wave, flick and curse away. Use the profane genius of our species to the fullest extent.<br />
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10: circling in intersection while waiting on light to turn green - "Douche."<br />
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11: riding on dirt (i.e. running) paths on lakefront - Is this the equivalent of riding on the sidewalk? If so, then I'd rather not. Runners choke up the cycling paths all the time, but that excuses #09, not responding in kind. Naturally, one may have no other choice. So it goes.<br />
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12. smoking cigarette/pipe/cigar - Not a fan of this, though I do love the smell of good pipe smoke. Whuuu?
James Baum said:Tell…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-11-05:2211490:Comment:2569572010-11-05T13:24:38.709Zin it to win it 8.0 mihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Skip
Whuuu?<br />
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<cite>James Baum said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/feedback-on-habits?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A256269&page=2#2211490Comment256945"><div>Tell me who it is that is forcing YOU to do any of these things. If we can't make them stop pressuring you to do these "dangerous things" I'd say we need to call the police and tell them that someone is forcing you to do something you don't want to do.<br></br><br></br>Or you mean nobody is forcing YOU to do these…</div>
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Whuuu?<br />
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<cite>James Baum said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/feedback-on-habits?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A256269&page=2#2211490Comment256945"><div>Tell me who it is that is forcing YOU to do any of these things. If we can't make them stop pressuring you to do these "dangerous things" I'd say we need to call the police and tell them that someone is forcing you to do something you don't want to do.<br/><br/>Or you mean nobody is forcing YOU to do these things but that you just have your undies in a bunch over what OTHER people are doing or your own lack of good sense? I suppose all you can do is bitch about it online with all the other ninny-staters who want to force others to act and think just like them. Get in line with those who want to ban gay marriage and reproductive choice because you believe what these bad people are doing is just WRONG!!!!!</div>
</blockquote> Tell me who it is that is for…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-11-05:2211490:Comment:2569452010-11-05T11:45:46.311ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
Tell me who it is that is forcing YOU to do any of these things. If we can't make them stop pressuring you to do these "dangerous things" I'd say we need to call the police and tell them that someone is forcing you to do something you don't want to do.<br></br>
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Or you mean nobody is forcing YOU to do these things but that you just have your undies in a bunch over what OTHER people are doing or your own lack of good sense? I suppose all you can do is bitch about it online with all the other…
Tell me who it is that is forcing YOU to do any of these things. If we can't make them stop pressuring you to do these "dangerous things" I'd say we need to call the police and tell them that someone is forcing you to do something you don't want to do.<br/>
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Or you mean nobody is forcing YOU to do these things but that you just have your undies in a bunch over what OTHER people are doing or your own lack of good sense? I suppose all you can do is bitch about it online with all the other ninny-staters who want to force others to act and think just like them. Get in line with those who want to ban gay marriage and reproductive choice because you believe what these bad people are doing is just WRONG!!!!!