Danish Modern: Copenhagen Cycle Chic's Mikael Colville-Andersen - The Chainlink2024-03-28T14:45:17Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/danish-modern-copenhagen-cycle-chic-s-mikael-colville-andersen?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree that just like bikes…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-26:2211490:Comment:6206912012-11-26T21:01:52.932ZWillhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/WillV
<p>I agree that just like bikes are no match for cars, helmets are no match for prevention. However, it's clear that in some crashes, they do help prevent serious injury or death, and such crashes need not even involve motor vehicles. I take issue with Mikael's assertion that promoting helmet use scares people away from riding- he is not basing his argument on anything but a 2% decrease in ridership in Copenhagen from 2008, he presents no evidence for a causal relationship. While mandating…</p>
<p>I agree that just like bikes are no match for cars, helmets are no match for prevention. However, it's clear that in some crashes, they do help prevent serious injury or death, and such crashes need not even involve motor vehicles. I take issue with Mikael's assertion that promoting helmet use scares people away from riding- he is not basing his argument on anything but a 2% decrease in ridership in Copenhagen from 2008, he presents no evidence for a causal relationship. While mandating helmet use would surely discourage ridership, let's see some real evidence that simply encouraging helmet use has the same negative impact. Until then, I'm not buying it.</p> Bikeyface also has a good sum…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-19:2211490:Comment:6187132012-11-19T19:34:05.658ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Bikeyface also has a <a href="http://bikeyface.com/2012/10/18/serious-about-safety/" target="_blank">good summary of the big picture</a> - very relevant here.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>John Greenfield said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/danish-modern-copenhagen-cycle-chic-s-mikael-colville-andersen?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A618507&x=1#2211490Comment618460"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think the publishers of Momentum, a bike mag…</p>
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<p>Bikeyface also has a <a href="http://bikeyface.com/2012/10/18/serious-about-safety/" target="_blank">good summary of the big picture</a> - very relevant here.<br/> <br/> <cite>John Greenfield said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/danish-modern-copenhagen-cycle-chic-s-mikael-colville-andersen?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A618507&x=1#2211490Comment618460"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think the publishers of Momentum, a bike mag out of Vancouver, nailed the helmet issue in this editorial:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://momentummag.com/articles/moving-the-conversation-beyond-helmets" target="_blank">http://momentummag.com/articles/moving-the-conversation-beyond-helmets</a></p>
<p>Wear a helmet if you want, or don't - it's a personal choice. But don't attack others for their choice, and don't let the helmet debate distract us from the more important issue. Helmets may help mitigate the damage from some crashes, but they don't prevent crashes. Let's move on from debating the pros and cons of helmet use to working to create streets that are safe enough that bike/car crashes are virtually eliminated, as is the case in Copenhagen.</p>
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</blockquote> Ah yes, a bicycle ninja. In b…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-19:2211490:Comment:6185072012-11-19T16:29:44.883ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>Ah yes, a bicycle ninja. In bike-friendly countries people usually don't wear helmets but they *always* use lights at night.</p>
<p>Ah yes, a bicycle ninja. In bike-friendly countries people usually don't wear helmets but they *always* use lights at night.</p> I think the publishers of Mom…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-19:2211490:Comment:6184602012-11-19T15:47:43.391ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>I think the publishers of Momentum, a bike mag out of Vancouver, nailed the helmet issue in this editorial:</p>
<p><a href="http://momentummag.com/articles/moving-the-conversation-beyond-helmets" target="_blank">http://momentummag.com/articles/moving-the-conversation-beyond-helmets</a></p>
<p>Wear a helmet if you want, or don't - it's a personal choice. But don't attack others for their choice, and don't let the helmet debate distract us from the more important issue. Helmets may help…</p>
<p>I think the publishers of Momentum, a bike mag out of Vancouver, nailed the helmet issue in this editorial:</p>
<p><a href="http://momentummag.com/articles/moving-the-conversation-beyond-helmets" target="_blank">http://momentummag.com/articles/moving-the-conversation-beyond-helmets</a></p>
<p>Wear a helmet if you want, or don't - it's a personal choice. But don't attack others for their choice, and don't let the helmet debate distract us from the more important issue. Helmets may help mitigate the damage from some crashes, but they don't prevent crashes. Let's move on from debating the pros and cons of helmet use to working to create streets that are safe enough that bike/car crashes are virtually eliminated, as is the case in Copenhagen.</p> Hmmm. Very interesting argum…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-18:2211490:Comment:6180512012-11-18T01:17:15.159ZBill Savagehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BillSavage
<p>Hmmm. Very interesting argument that wearing helmets, or the promotion of wearing helmest, makes people not ride. But then, if getting in an accident makes you brain-damaged, can you continue to ride? The real key, it seems to me, is the physical street-level infrastructure for safety, which (as you point out, John) is hard to build in Chicago's grid.</p>
<p>Hmmm. Very interesting argument that wearing helmets, or the promotion of wearing helmest, makes people not ride. But then, if getting in an accident makes you brain-damaged, can you continue to ride? The real key, it seems to me, is the physical street-level infrastructure for safety, which (as you point out, John) is hard to build in Chicago's grid.</p> I am psyched! Never seen so m…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-16:2211490:Comment:6176222012-11-16T23:51:45.818ZJuan 2-3 or more mi.https://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnDominguez
<p>I am psyched! Never seen so many more cyclists year round, and different types also LOL.</p>
<p>I am psyched! Never seen so many more cyclists year round, and different types also LOL.</p> Yeah, we'll never be Copenhag…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-16:2211490:Comment:6174382012-11-16T20:05:57.939ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>Yeah, we'll never be Copenhagen - Chicago is too spread out to have the same density of bike facilities. But I think if the city of Chicago does half of the stuff they're proposing in the Streets for Cycling Plan 2020 we'll definitely become a world-class bike town.</p>
<p>Yeah, we'll never be Copenhagen - Chicago is too spread out to have the same density of bike facilities. But I think if the city of Chicago does half of the stuff they're proposing in the Streets for Cycling Plan 2020 we'll definitely become a world-class bike town.</p> It's nice to hear Mikael's co…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-11-16:2211490:Comment:6175342012-11-16T19:52:15.364ZJuan 2-3 or more mi.https://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnDominguez
<p>It's nice to hear Mikael's confirmation that Chicago and San Francisco CAN be good cycling cities.</p>
<p>It's nice to hear Mikael's confirmation that Chicago and San Francisco CAN be good cycling cities.</p>