Cyclists crash at Dearborn and Wacker yesterday - The Chainlink2024-03-29T00:45:51Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cyclists-crash-at-dearborn-and-wacker-yesterday?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1105201&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm pretty sure that guy's be…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11054972018-08-29T21:10:50.628ZTricolorhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Tricolor
<p>I'm pretty sure that guy's been around since I moved to Chicago. He used to have hand written signs about Al Gore being replaced with a Russian duplicate.</p>
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<p>Sometimes I see another guy on Michigan in a reclined electric wheelchair that used to sell American flag toothpicks out of a coffee mug on Belmont. He never did speak.</p>
<p>I'm pretty sure that guy's been around since I moved to Chicago. He used to have hand written signs about Al Gore being replaced with a Russian duplicate.</p>
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<p>Sometimes I see another guy on Michigan in a reclined electric wheelchair that used to sell American flag toothpicks out of a coffee mug on Belmont. He never did speak.</p> On those Dearborn lanes and a…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11052182018-08-29T18:23:39.812ZJim Rehohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JimReho
<p>On those Dearborn lanes and anywhere downtown, I personally ride more like a tortoise than a hare, even more than usual. With all the crazy stuff and oblivious drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists around there, I value my ability to stop almost on a dime more than anything. </p>
<p>On those Dearborn lanes and anywhere downtown, I personally ride more like a tortoise than a hare, even more than usual. With all the crazy stuff and oblivious drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists around there, I value my ability to stop almost on a dime more than anything. </p> It was that guys fault, not y…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11053912018-08-29T15:10:20.687ZV Whttps://thechainlink.org/profile/vincentwaller
<p>It was that guys fault, not yours.</p>
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<p>But, I agree with you that it's not a race, and it would've been better to go a little slower.</p>
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<p>I'd rather go slower than I rightfully am entitled to go, and be safe, than be in the right, and crash.</p>
<p>It was that guys fault, not yours.</p>
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<p>But, I agree with you that it's not a race, and it would've been better to go a little slower.</p>
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<p>I'd rather go slower than I rightfully am entitled to go, and be safe, than be in the right, and crash.</p> One person did something il…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11053882018-08-29T15:00:45.260ZDavid Barishhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidBarish
<p>One person did something illegal. The guy who blew the light and hit speed racer did something illegal. Speed racer did nothing illegal but his actions made David notice him before the crash. We all make our own choices about what speed is safe. Certainly, going 20 mph is within the posted speed limit. Whether flying at 20 in a bike lane at rush hour is a good idea is debatable. I will assume Speed knew what he was doing and knew the risks and knew how they change…</p>
<p>One person did something illegal. The guy who blew the light and hit speed racer did something illegal. Speed racer did nothing illegal but his actions made David notice him before the crash. We all make our own choices about what speed is safe. Certainly, going 20 mph is within the posted speed limit. Whether flying at 20 in a bike lane at rush hour is a good idea is debatable. I will assume Speed knew what he was doing and knew the risks and knew how they change depending on how he rides. On the one hand if we ride with fear we don't get out of bed, don't get on our bike and are paralyzed by our anxiety. On the other hand, we give ourselves a better chance of getting home by riding with awareness of the situation and being able to overcome the stupidity and illegality of others whether they be drivers, riders or pedestrians. Speed could have given himself better odds of not being in a crash and not being hit by a red light blower but he chose otherwise. </p>
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<p>I, too, try to avoid victim blaming especially as we read about car v. bike incidents with tragic consequences. Given that speed has lived to ride another day I find it easier to be a Monday morning quarterback regarding his actions and how it may inform my riding and yours.</p> In the rest of the video (whi…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11051642018-08-29T02:05:04.783ZErnesto Lubehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ErnestoLube
<p>In the rest of the video (which I deleted), you can hear me yelling. You can see him try to help me. You can see how I just turned around and somehow got home... and how the GoPro kept filming for another three hours while I was unconscious on the couch. </p>
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<p>I yell at them now. STOOOOOOOP!</p>
<p>In the rest of the video (which I deleted), you can hear me yelling. You can see him try to help me. You can see how I just turned around and somehow got home... and how the GoPro kept filming for another three hours while I was unconscious on the couch. </p>
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<p>I yell at them now. STOOOOOOOP!</p> So this guy walks out in fron…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11052922018-08-29T02:00:40.117ZGage B.https://thechainlink.org/profile/GageB
<p>So this guy walks out in front of you and you take the wrong and the injury? Yell at them next time. I always yell LOOK on dearborn. </p>
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<p>So this guy walks out in front of you and you take the wrong and the injury? Yell at them next time. I always yell LOOK on dearborn. </p>
<p></p> Running red lights. This coul…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11051602018-08-29T00:44:04.297ZErnesto Lubehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ErnestoLube
<p>Running red lights. This could have been a statistic of running one and getting killed. <iframe width="475" height="267" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BxzosawxJUg?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
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<p>Running red lights. This could have been a statistic of running one and getting killed. <iframe width="475" height="267" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/BxzosawxJUg?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
</p> I was going to fast and this…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-29:2211490:Comment:11052052018-08-29T00:32:59.339ZErnesto Lubehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ErnestoLube
<p>I was going to fast and this guy... I crashed so that I would not hurt him. Concussion. I don't remember getting home. Just a bloody knee and elbow. Broken helmet. Slow down people. It is not a race. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/io_XBK0twtQ?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
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<p>I was going to fast and this guy... I crashed so that I would not hurt him. Concussion. I don't remember getting home. Just a bloody knee and elbow. Broken helmet. Slow down people. It is not a race. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/io_XBK0twtQ?wmode=opaque" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen=""></iframe>
</p> Touche- I also get annoyed wh…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-28:2211490:Comment:11052012018-08-28T21:57:05.155ZV Whttps://thechainlink.org/profile/vincentwaller
<p>Touche- I also get annoyed when people excuse the negligence/recklessness of others based on things that don't really have a legal bearing on culpability. But I don't think the topic of what's "advisable" should be off limits because some people don't get (or can't seem to handle) the distinction between that and who's legally in the wrong.</p>
<p>Touche- I also get annoyed when people excuse the negligence/recklessness of others based on things that don't really have a legal bearing on culpability. But I don't think the topic of what's "advisable" should be off limits because some people don't get (or can't seem to handle) the distinction between that and who's legally in the wrong.</p> It's not advisable for cyclis…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-28:2211490:Comment:11051572018-08-28T20:40:03.291Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>It's not advisable for cyclist's to do a lot of things, including running red lights and stop lights when someone else has the right of way, etc. It's also more than fine when people call cyclists out for that behavior. </p>
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<p>What I get annoyed by (and not to say your doing it here, but I have see it here from others) is society excusing the negligence of others because some cyclist do unadvisable things. Maybe the cyclist doing 20 on Dearborn contributed to the accident, and…</p>
<p>It's not advisable for cyclist's to do a lot of things, including running red lights and stop lights when someone else has the right of way, etc. It's also more than fine when people call cyclists out for that behavior. </p>
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<p>What I get annoyed by (and not to say your doing it here, but I have see it here from others) is society excusing the negligence of others because some cyclist do unadvisable things. Maybe the cyclist doing 20 on Dearborn contributed to the accident, and maybe it didn't considering the other cyclist seemed to have clearly run a light. </p>
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<p>In the end, who knows. But what I do know is that riding a bicycle fast isn't inherently dangerous in an of itself if you exercise a modicum of common sense, which the vast majority of cyclists do, and I'm personally not going to absolve others (especially drivers) for causing accidents simply because of an argument that a cyclist was going over some arbitrarily set idea of what a "safe" speed is and could have reacted quicker to the negligence if he had been going "slower." </p>
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<p>There were some not great comments after the cyclist was killed on Halstead that she must have been going fast since she was a triathlete. I just don't see that type of post-hoc rationalization for why an accident may have happened as helpful in the slightest. </p>
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