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In case you all aren't readers of Crain's Chicago Business. . .

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20131101/OPINION/131039935/t...

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Great piece, Bill!  Thank you from all of us!

Well done!  Darn, seems like you MUST create a Crains account to comment, or to even see the whole article after a few tries.

I havent gotten to the comments yet but I just had to tell you how much I loved reading your article. Thanks for sharing.
Maybe thats why I didnt see them. I figured I had to go to the full site (on my phone right now).

Andrew Bedno said:

Well done!  Darn, seems like you MUST create a Crains account to comment, or to even see the whole article after a few tries.

On a related topic, does anyone know where we can find statistics for crashes involving just cyclists and pedestrians?  I am 100% convinced that such crashes are rare, and rarely involve serious injuries, but I'd like some, you know, facts to back me up and reply to the folks who insist that bikes are as dangerous to the rest of the world as cars are.


People who ride their bicycles are obviously having fun, and their fellow citizens hate them for it. People who are stuck in gridlocked traffic or trudging grimly toward public transportation are not having any fun, and the sight of cyclists enjoying life puts cyclists at the top of the Hierarchy of Psychological Pain.

Love this. Great article!

Such a great piece -- you did a great job with it. Love the last part especially. 

Dan Korn mentioned having researched it on another thread, and could find no more than two known incidents of pedestrians being killed by cyclists. Nationwide. Going back as far as the internets had recorded.  As to non-fatal crashes, guessing Steven Vance migh be the best one to ask.
 
Bill Savage said:

On a related topic, does anyone know where we can find statistics for crashes involving just cyclists and pedestrians?  I am 100% convinced that such crashes are rare, and rarely involve serious injuries, but I'd like some, you know, facts to back me up and reply to the folks who insist that bikes are as dangerous to the rest of the world as cars are.

I liked that this was offered up in "more from Crain's Chicago."

I totally missed it.
 
Erin Vogel said:

Such a great piece -- you did a great job with it. Love the last part especially. 

Oh Ronald P.

You know not how much I lovvvvw to argue with trolls till they are exhausted.
Also, I sincerely hope no one lets that guy drive a car.

Also, why is my text so tiny?


Bill, I loved the piece you wrote. I don't buy the hierarchy of pain. I don't think minimizing the impact bikes have on other users is your strongest point.  Although bikes may have only killed two pedestrians, there have certainly been plenty of other incidents with injuries. Also, ALL users effect the other users.  You start with a pyramid where pedestrians are really only a risk to themselves. That is false.  A car may run into a biker but that chain of events may have been initiated by a mindless pedestrian.  Bad decisions by any actor, regardless of how they are being moved, can have drastic consequences on others.  Nonetheless, I still liked your point of view and the discussion that you started (speaking of  indirect consequences) in the comment thread. Direct consequences may indeed be a bottom up thing. Rarely can a pedestrian kill a biker or driver. However, indirect consequences lead to a Rube Goldberg world of bad outcomes.  


h' $550 said:

Dan Korn mentioned having researched it on another thread, and could find no more than two known incidents of pedestrians being killed by cyclists. Nationwide. Going back as far as the internets had recorded.  As to non-fatal crashes, guessing Steven Vance migh be the best one to ask.
 
Bill Savage said:

On a related topic, does anyone know where we can find statistics for crashes involving just cyclists and pedestrians?  I am 100% convinced that such crashes are rare, and rarely involve serious injuries, but I'd like some, you know, facts to back me up and reply to the folks who insist that bikes are as dangerous to the rest of the world as cars are.

Nice work Bill. 

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