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well, if you're a dummy and you run red lights, you also run the risk of getting hit.

mark said it best.

don't be an idiot and risk life and limb for something insignificant.

i'm not encouraging idiocy.

i recommend people be safe.

it's a fun fast ride for fun.

the point is to be as fast as you can manage safely.

if you get hit, it's because you took a risk you shouldn't have when it wasn't serious enough to do so.

people make their own decisions on that front, though.

I rode some of the Tour d'Chicago races in 2008, and yeah, it was just as dangerous as Chuck Goudie said.  I'll admit with much guilt that we were a danger to ourselves and others.  Totally.  There was a pack mentality when I was in the pack, that "WE'RE ALL RUNNING THIS LIGHT".   When I lost the pack (man, those guys are fast), common sense took back over.  I still rode as fast as I could but without the pack I stopped when I had to and signaled a lot more.

Alex Wilson doesn't come off very well in his interview.  I wonder if his  views have evolved.

I was just going to say that. I don't think any person with common sense would agree with what he was quoted as saying.

It doesn't matter if you're a pedestrian, cyclist, or even another motorist - you've made a poor choice by running a red light and have to be willing to accept the potential consequences ..i.e. death.


Juan Primo said:

I rode some of the Tour d'Chicago races in 2008, and yeah, it was just as dangerous as Chuck Goudie said.  I'll admit with much guilt that we were a danger to ourselves and others.  Totally.  There was a pack mentality when I was in the pack, that "WE'RE ALL RUNNING THIS LIGHT".   When I lost the pack (man, those guys are fast), common sense took back over.  I still rode as fast as I could but without the pack I stopped when I had to and signaled a lot more.

Alex Wilson doesn't come off very well in his interview.  I wonder if his  views have evolved.

That's cool.  Just know what you're getting into: http://www.mybikeadvocate.com/2010/06/tale-of-alleycat.html

Nuff Sed.

Matthew Manger-Lynch
Thursday, 28 February 2008
Age: 29

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i sincerely appreciate the warnings and horror stories.

and i mean it.

post more of them or more info on them as you find them if you can.

i'm showing the links and articles to the people involved so they too know exactly what it is that they're getting into.

this is a dangerous thing i'm suggesting, and i want everyone to make informed decisions on the risks they're taking with their lives and the lives of others.

it's an event geared more to the professional city cyclist crowd that started as a fun thing between friends/coworkers, and is open to (almost) everyone.

chefs looking for a thrill, kool kids with aerospokes on their sweet fixie and no experience with the nuances of traffic, and dentists with $20,000 pinarellos are advised to keep away or really really (really) read up on what they're getting into.

because this is not premium rush. when you get nailed by traffic, time isn't going to go backwards to give you another shot at a different outcome... you might end up a spectator at the damen derby.

I suggest you keep this as underground as possible then.  Lots of dentists and Pinarellos on this forum.

that's the plan, i mostly posted it here in case there were any fellow friendly courier types that would want to give it a go in as safe a manner as possible. and i didn't want to keep it toooo underground so the really seedy overly underground types aren't there turning it into something it's not.

oh no, I thought the damen derby was going to be the race that hinged on the mid ride feat of eating the texas donut delight at huck finn!  Now it just sounds silly.

Good advice.  Publicly post that its a joke and anybody who wants to contact you can do so by PM rather than in public.  Me?  I'm old, chickenbleep and slow. 

Juan Primo said:

I suggest you keep this as underground as possible then.  Lots of dentists and Pinarellos on this forum.

Yeah, as an organizer of unsanctioned races I would not recommend The Chainlink as a place to find like-minded folk. ChiFG would likely be more appropriate place.
 
That being said, there is very little use for "Is anyone interested in making this thing happen with me?" threads, because if you need the interest of other people to make it happen, likely you're not commited enough to actually organize the thing. Just throw it. People will show up. Or not.
 
Keep in mind average attendance for "super hardcore planned-by-messengers-for-other-messengers" alleycats is around 5 people right now. Not sure if you're gonna do better than that for an unsanctioned road race.

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