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jillnerkowski said:
jillnerkowski said:
jillnerkowski said:
notoriousDUG said:
jillnerkowski said:
S said:
jillnerkowski said:

to s, there is no one perfect solution, anymore than there is no one perfect person, and yet, we are all perfect, perfectly who we are, short fat, in good shape, or nearly shapeless, we are perfect. who could paint a perfect rose without the black holes of a japanese beetle?
what car of today is perfect, or not perfect? does it get you where you're going? then it works perfectly for its purpose. yet what car of today is perfect if a bicylist riding behind the car, is fumigated, and oil not only pollutes, and causes war, but is running out?
wouldnt then an electric car that only drives 50 miles an hour be perfect if it not only gets you where you're going, but it doesn't add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere? no because even electricity comes from somewhere, and before we create a perfect vehicle we'll find something wrong with silicon, someone will get cancer and it will become expensive when it begins to run out. But then someone else will find a new material to generate solar electricity.
that's what life is! every cherry has a pit. but isnt that what a cherry is, a fruit with a pit? then its perfect.

You're badly mistaken in regards to the amount of energy you can derive from a solar panel on a car. You get about 5 kWh/day from a square meter of flat solar panels angled correctly and in the sun. A car getting 33mpg in the city uses about 1kWh per mile. So if you leave your car out in the sun all day you'll be able to drive about a five miles. This is essentially useless.


thats why they make cars like that lighter, did you ever try to pick up a car, even one end from the bumper, then try when there's no motor in it. they don't actually need motors, they just need electronics to convert the electrical energy to rotary energy with magnets, and then maybe some brakes.

OK, so do you understand that the battery weight, currently, required to make an electric car with a viable range is well above the weight of your average gasoline engine no used to power an automobile? Plus you are going to need, depending on your method of drive, at least one large electric motor and these are also quite heavy. In order to have a range that makes it viable to use an electric car (if you have a 5 mile range why not ride your bike?) you are actually going to end up with a vehicle that weighs as much, or more, then it's petroleum powered equivalent.

And while we are finding out if you know *anything* about what you are trying to pretend to be an expert on are you aware that solar powered cars require batteries to store the power? Unless you are dealing with a very light vehicle designed for maximum panel surface area and minimal weight and rolling resistance operating under idea conditions you do not produce enough power via solar panel to power the vehicle so you operate at a power loss using the batteries to drive the unit and then recharge when it is stationary. If you leave for work early in the morning and return home after dark there is no way to recharge unless you plug in.

Once again you are trying to talk about stuff that you have no idea how it works; I service electric vehicles.
well I like the hybrid idea, that uses all the rotary energy to charge up the batteries, the roof covered in solar panels, and some gas for a start. or esle hybrid bicycle that uses some electricty and some human crank, its better exercise, and it will go fast enough to compare to a moped, just not on the highway. or amybe one of thsoe air cars, mixed iwth soalr instead of gas, for hte 8 gallons of gas, and one tank of fule for every 90-1000 miles, it could use one tank of air, and solar/electric power, or one of those three wheel hybrid bikes, with 50 cc's of gas power, and fat tires.

notorious dug, How many batteries do the cars have in them, and where are they located, what does the car have for a motor?


maybe a tiered roof possibilty with, five times the surface area- I guess solar is still in the works, although I have seen ones beyond the world solar races even on the market.

have you seen these solar cars ? just look at this one http://www.futurecars.com/futurecars/solar_cars1.html

maybe they will find a way to step up the electricity like they do in coils, in a miniature fashion, and add a miniature coil to each wire that carries the movement of electrons from one side of the chip to the other.

Notice the word 'future' in the sites name. Those are all concepts; there is nothing to 'see' because they have not been manufactured yet.

There is a way to step up electricity like they do in coils, it's called... wait for it... COILS! Oh, wait you want it smaller? Hey guess what we have really small coils! Not only can we step things up but we can step them down as well... Oh wait, did you mean amps or volts? Because when one goes up the other goes down and there is a power loss.

Get a goddamn clue about electricity before you start talking about it like you are, in any way, shape or form qualified to do so.

Seriously, a Jr. HS science class taught me more about electricity then you seem to know...
I like the idea of solar, compressed air, gasoline, and pedaled... especially when combined into a lightweight design. Jill, you realize that each one of these components weigh something? No you need storage, control, and safety systems for 4 different energy sources. You now need an electric motor, gasoline engine, and probably two additional drivetrain components for manual and air gearing. Add in the extra cost of making it all work together reliably and safely (when the air fire and your knees get snapped from pedaling...)... This is not going to be cheap, light, or reliable.
Jill,

You are just ignorant, and are not willing to accept facts...Your infant's understanding of physics, engineering and economics in general just amuses me...You claimed earlier that you went to college, I would love to hear about what you majored in or which school you went to as well as what your degree is...I can tell you this much;

Judging from your drawings it is not art.
Judging from your suggestions regarding taxing, it is not economics.
Judging from your suggestions regarding cars, technologies in general, it is not engineering...

So what is it really? Just curious...

-Ali
Clark said:
I'd like to encourage everyone to have a bit more respect for others' ideas. And accept the fact that NONE of us really have the answer to this very thorny problem. But we can discuss it civilly, as best we can...can't we?

Tell you what, I'll be more respectful and civil when I see responses that are researched, well thought out and make sense instead of ones that have no basis in reality. Maybe I am just a thin skinned candy ass but I take people trying to pass pure gibberish off to me as valid technical information as an insult.

Why should I respect an idea that most high school students with a basic grasp on electricity, or economics, could see is a horrible idea?
Dug, you're being a jerk.
It happens sometimes.


Kelvin Mulcky said:
Dug, you're being a jerk.
As someone who used to build solar powered cars, I fully support this retort.

I also know that it's possible to travel at highway speeds on only solar power (~1.5HP) with 2 caveats: 1) Vehicles that can accomplish such feats are not standalone vehicles (they need a team of engineers to run them); and 2) if you're in a slight traffic incident in a vehicle capable of the feat, you will be DEAD, not injured, not discombobulated with a scratch on your noggin: DEAD. I'm not talking about a collision with a semi-trailer either. A Geo Metro (aka rollerskate) will destroy any fast, roadworthy solar car out there.


S said:
jillnerkowski said:

to s, there is no one perfect solution, anymore than there is no one perfect person, and yet, we are all perfect, perfectly who we are, short fat, in good shape, or nearly shapeless, we are perfect. who could paint a perfect rose without the black holes of a japanese beetle?
what car of today is perfect, or not perfect? does it get you where you're going? then it works perfectly for its purpose. yet what car of today is perfect if a bicylist riding behind the car, is fumigated, and oil not only pollutes, and causes war, but is running out?
wouldnt then an electric car that only drives 50 miles an hour be perfect if it not only gets you where you're going, but it doesn't add carbon dioxide to the atmosphere? no because even electricity comes from somewhere, and before we create a perfect vehicle we'll find something wrong with silicon, someone will get cancer and it will become expensive when it begins to run out. But then someone else will find a new material to generate solar electricity.
that's what life is! every cherry has a pit. but isnt that what a cherry is, a fruit with a pit? then its perfect.

You're badly mistaken in regards to the amount of energy you can derive from a solar panel on a car. You get about 5 kWh/day from a square meter of flat solar panels angled correctly and in the sun. A car getting 33mpg in the city uses about 1kWh per mile. So if you leave your car out in the sun all day you'll be able to drive about a five miles. This is essentially useless.

Think of it as an "intervention."

notoriousDUG said:
It happens sometimes.


Kelvin Mulcky said:
Dug, you're being a jerk.
Nope.

I've seen that show and I'm pretty sure somebody needs to cry and give me a hug for it to be an intervention.

H3N3 said:
Think of it as an "intervention."

notoriousDUG said:
It happens sometimes.


Kelvin Mulcky said:
Dug, you're being a jerk.
What you are looking for is called a sail. Unfortunately, you have to adjust sails so that they are facing the right direction, you can't build a static canopy that will always direct the force in the direction you want. You will also need a large counterweight at the bottom of the bike to prevent you from getting blown over (just like a boat).

jillnerkowski said:
Michael Perz said:
You must be one of the Big Oil operatives that have been working to conceal the truth about this thread. I'm on to you.

Kelvin Mulcky said:
Mods: please sink this thread and put it out of it's misery.

well it's close, Im not quite there for impossible energy machines yet, Im still working on getting across town on my bike canopy in the wind, faster than I could possibly pedal, by forcing all of the wind from every direction into forward motion of my bike canopy. Im working on a new design now, that will eliminate the sides, at least until I come up with a new framing structure for them, and have just a front , and overhead coverage, so that all the wind, goes into the canopy pushing forward, and giving me a free lift and cheap thrills, while at the same time keeping me dry, but it won't be as warm.
Kelvin Mulcky said:

Mods: please sink this thread and put it out of it's misery.


what.
he.
said.

jillerkowski - please leave here and go back to where you came from.
please.
you are barking up the wrong tree and bringing out the worst in me.
you are stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious, stupid, immature, irrational and relentless.
should I continue ? I really don't want to, but can.
I ask you one more time - go. away.
no one here wants to take this damn "provoceteur bait".
you are so dangerous with a few random statistics.
DB


dan brown said:
Kelvin Mulcky said:

Mods: please sink this thread and put it out of it's misery.


what.
he.
said.

jillerkowski - please leave here and go back to where you came from.
please.
you are barking up the wrong tree and bringing out the worst in me.
you are stubborn, arrogant, obnoxious, stupid, immature, irrational and relentless.
should I continue ? I really don't want to, but can.
I ask you one more time - go. away.
no one here wants to take this damn "provoceteur bait".
you are so dangerous with a few random statistics.
DB

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