Riding on Park District property - The Chainlink2024-03-29T10:31:55Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/riding-on-park-district-property?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAnd by the way, I'm happy to…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-27:2211490:Comment:10839892017-11-27T18:46:24.399ZCharlie Short 2.9https://thechainlink.org/profile/CharlieShort
<p>And by the way, I'm happy to answer any questions people have about this topic or related topics, but as I was not a city employee or a sworn officer in CPD, there's some information I just don't have.</p>
<p>And by the way, I'm happy to answer any questions people have about this topic or related topics, but as I was not a city employee or a sworn officer in CPD, there's some information I just don't have.</p> Well, remember that the munic…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-27:2211490:Comment:10841872017-11-27T18:44:28.553ZCharlie Short 2.9https://thechainlink.org/profile/CharlieShort
<p>Well, remember that the municipal code is not an instruction manual, but a determination of right of way. A police officer can detain you for anything they want, so this wording doesn't protect you from getting a ticket, but it will assist when you're in front of a judge. Full disclosure, I was a part of the team that helped put this language in place. In addition to the language, we also reached out to CPD to explain what this language meant. I could go on and on about how CPD interprets…</p>
<p>Well, remember that the municipal code is not an instruction manual, but a determination of right of way. A police officer can detain you for anything they want, so this wording doesn't protect you from getting a ticket, but it will assist when you're in front of a judge. Full disclosure, I was a part of the team that helped put this language in place. In addition to the language, we also reached out to CPD to explain what this language meant. I could go on and on about how CPD interprets bike laws, but this language does make it harder for police officers to target people at bike racks and Divvy stations (like sit there and write tickets.)</p> Interesting. The wording on i…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-27:2211490:Comment:10840782017-11-27T17:00:43.586ZAlex Zhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AlexZ
<p>Interesting. The wording on its face seems to say:</p>
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<p>-you can ride on the sidewalk if going TO the street (presumably while coming from a bike rack, or a building, etc.)</p>
<p>-you can ride on the sidewalk if going TO a Divvy station</p>
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<p>So by extension you could also ride on the sidewalk FROM a Divvy station (because you would fall into the first category--biking TO the street).</p>
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<p>But what about coming FROM the street TO a bike rack or to your door?…</p>
<p>Interesting. The wording on its face seems to say:</p>
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<p>-you can ride on the sidewalk if going TO the street (presumably while coming from a bike rack, or a building, etc.)</p>
<p>-you can ride on the sidewalk if going TO a Divvy station</p>
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<p>So by extension you could also ride on the sidewalk FROM a Divvy station (because you would fall into the first category--biking TO the street).</p>
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<p>But what about coming FROM the street TO a bike rack or to your door? Seems like the carve-out does not apply! :) </p> You're right Alex:
"(a) Unl…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-27:2211490:Comment:10839852017-11-27T16:05:13.637ZCharlie Short 2.9https://thechainlink.org/profile/CharlieShort
<p>You're right Alex:</p>
<p><span>"(a) Unless the prohibition imposed by subsection (c) applies, a person may ride a bicycle upon a sidewalk within a business district, but only if such sidewalk has been officially designated and marked as a bicycle route, or such sidewalk is used to enter the <strong>nearest roadway, intersection or designated bicycle path, or to access a bicycle share st</strong>a<strong>tion."</strong></span></p>
<p>You're right Alex:</p>
<p><span>"(a) Unless the prohibition imposed by subsection (c) applies, a person may ride a bicycle upon a sidewalk within a business district, but only if such sidewalk has been officially designated and marked as a bicycle route, or such sidewalk is used to enter the <strong>nearest roadway, intersection or designated bicycle path, or to access a bicycle share st</strong>a<strong>tion."</strong></span></p> Jim, I thought there was also…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-27:2211490:Comment:10839792017-11-27T15:43:32.488ZAlex Zhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AlexZ
<p>Jim, I thought there was also a carve-out allowing you to ride on the sidewalk if you're riding to or from a bike rack, or something like that. Do you know?</p>
<p>Jim, I thought there was also a carve-out allowing you to ride on the sidewalk if you're riding to or from a bike rack, or something like that. Do you know?</p> That is the general principle…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-27:2211490:Comment:10841742017-11-27T15:15:22.577ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>That is the <em>general</em> principle in right of way rules, including right of way on the water. </p>
<p>That is the <em>general</em> principle in right of way rules, including right of way on the water. </p> It stands to reason then that…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-25:2211490:Comment:10837012017-11-25T18:30:11.505ZJon Cunninghamhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JonCunningham
<p>It stands to reason then that if cyclists are always to yield to pedestrians, presumably due to greater power and speed, then motorists should always yield to cyclists for the same reason.</p>
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<p>It stands to reason then that if cyclists are always to yield to pedestrians, presumably due to greater power and speed, then motorists should always yield to cyclists for the same reason.</p>
<p></p> Bruce, Chicago is a home-rule…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-21:2211490:Comment:10836162017-11-21T01:17:00.629ZJim Rehohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JimReho
<p>Bruce, Chicago is a home-rule municipality. Since the state of Illinois has not specifically legislated that state law regarding bicycles shall prevail, it is Chicago's municipal ordinance that governs whether bicycles are allowed on Chicago sidewalks, not the statute you cite. </p>
<p>Here is the Chicago ordinance, which I've probably posted before and which Maurice references above:</p>
<p>9-52-020. Riding bicycles on sidewalks and certain roadways. (a) No person shall ride a bicycle upon…</p>
<p>Bruce, Chicago is a home-rule municipality. Since the state of Illinois has not specifically legislated that state law regarding bicycles shall prevail, it is Chicago's municipal ordinance that governs whether bicycles are allowed on Chicago sidewalks, not the statute you cite. </p>
<p>Here is the Chicago ordinance, which I've probably posted before and which Maurice references above:</p>
<p>9-52-020. Riding bicycles on sidewalks and certain roadways. (a) No person shall ride a bicycle upon a sidewalk within a business district. (b) No person 12 or more years of age shall ride a bicycle upon any sidewalk in any district, unless such sidewalk has been officially designated and marked as a bicycle route. (c) Bicycles shall not be operated on Lake Shore Drive or on any roadway where the operation of bicycles has been prohibited and signs have been erected indicating such prohibition. (d) Whenever a usable path for bicycles has been provided adjacent to a roadway, bicycle riders shall use such path and shall not use the roadway. (Added Coun. J. 7-12-90, p. 18634)</p>
<p>That's the deal about bikes on Chicago sidewalks. If you want to read more about how Chicago home rule generally prevails over Illinois statutes, check out this article:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.isba.org/ibj/2013/06/lawpulse/homerulerulessaystheillinoissupreme" target="_blank">https://www.isba.org/ibj/2013/06/lawpulse/homerulerulessaystheillin...</a></p> I know that this is slightly…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-20:2211490:Comment:10836152017-11-20T22:11:42.084ZBrucehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Bruce583
<p>I know that this is slightly off-topic but I found it very interesting so I figured y'all would too, with the caveat that this is from Madison, WI:</p>
<div class="subscriber-only"><p><strong>Does a bicyclist riding the wrong way on a one way street on a sidewalk coming to an intersection have the right-of-way?</strong></p>
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<div class="subscriber-only"><p>Ross: "Yes. Drivers have to yield to bicyclists in the crosswalk regardless of which direction the bicyclist is coming…</p>
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<p>I know that this is slightly off-topic but I found it very interesting so I figured y'all would too, with the caveat that this is from Madison, WI:</p>
<div class="subscriber-only"><p><strong>Does a bicyclist riding the wrong way on a one way street on a sidewalk coming to an intersection have the right-of-way?</strong></p>
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<div class="subscriber-only"><p>Ross: "Yes. Drivers have to yield to bicyclists in the crosswalk regardless of which direction the bicyclist is coming from."</p>
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<div class="subscriber-only"><p>Ross has this to add: "I think it's an important starting point to getting people to think about their actions in traffic. Technically, the laws in Wisconsin generally do not assign right-of-way to one party or the other. Rather, the laws assign the responsibility to one party to yield or give the right-of-way to another. Right-of-way is something that is given, never taken. I think if people understood this -- whether we are driving a motor vehicle, riding a bike or walking, we are governed by sets of responsibilities, instead of rights -- we would all operate safer in the traffic environment."</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/steven_elbow/when-do-pedestrians-and-bicyclists-have-the-right-of-way/article_b6c8e749-80c4-550a-909a-2d8f5161c53f.html" target="_blank">http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/steven_elbow/when-do-pedestrians-and-bicyclists-have-the-right-of-way/article_b6c8e749-80c4-550a-909a-2d8f5161c53f.html</a></p>
</div> In general, i ignore "cyclist…tag:thechainlink.org,2017-11-20:2211490:Comment:10835352017-11-20T18:50:41.153Zmike w.https://thechainlink.org/profile/mikew
<p>In general, i ignore "cyclists dismount" signage, as i usually encounter it where it is totally unnecessary (e.g. on many Lake County DesPlaines River Trail bridges.)</p>
<p> i will dismount in certain conditions when it makes common sense to do so, such as when leaving crowded public events and encountering dense pedestrian traffic.</p>
<p>At least the signs you mentioned say "please."</p>
<p>In general, i ignore "cyclists dismount" signage, as i usually encounter it where it is totally unnecessary (e.g. on many Lake County DesPlaines River Trail bridges.)</p>
<p> i will dismount in certain conditions when it makes common sense to do so, such as when leaving crowded public events and encountering dense pedestrian traffic.</p>
<p>At least the signs you mentioned say "please."</p>