Climate Cycle's founder says: "Don't Blame BP" ?!
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This guy is suspiciously wrong .
This enormous environmental disaster was not caused the end users of the fossil fuel.
11 workers were killed by BP and it's policies not by the end users of the fossil fuel.
90%+ of the blame clearly is at BP's door.
1 for allowing the accident in the first place.
2 for lobbying to change the rules that allowed them to get away with it.
This lame argument is like saying that users of electricity are responsible the the 29 dead coal miners at the recent coal mine disaster instead of blaming the mine operators. Or like blaming children for lead poisoning of themselves, for wanting toys instead of blaming the Chinese manufactures.
Has this guy turned into a corporate slug?
I say:
BOYCOTT BP -------and Boycott all it's parts
am/pm mini mart
ARCO
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-BP/119101198107726
http://www.earthyreport.com/site/boycott-bp/
http://www.citizen.org/page.aspx?pid=3311
http://boycottbptshirt.com/
http://www.fubp.org/
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Permalink Reply by Liz W. Durham on -
Ooooo, I like it! Empty lots into gardens!
Dr. Doom said:The point here just being that if this has you really mad, seriously, the thing to do is go vegetarian or sell your car or learn a useful skill that would make you less reliant on petroleum. If all the vague anger at BP in Chicago were directed to useful ends, plenty of empty lots could be worked over into young gardens by August or some other Worthy Cause would be helped a lot.
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Permalink Reply by clp on -
Great response Howard...I agree 100%. But those of us who long ago gave up our cars, and have found very fine alternatives to clogging the roads, air and water with tons of discharges, really aren't Scot-free of guilt either. By our consumption of basic foods, clothing, heating, etc we're indirectly placing orders for more undersea oil, despite our best intentions.
The US long ago reached Hubbert's Peak, and we're on the downside of the curve, increasingly crazed in our thirst for energy...and willing apparently, to endure any sacrifice including fouling our own shores. We face a grim future: with our available pools of oil now a mile or more deep, we'll be seeing many more of these disasters, until every last pool of oil has been tapped, and our grandchildren fall back exhausted, covered with slime. Of course we all have blood on our hands!
Notorious Dug's specious claim that he has no alternative but to pollute, rings hollow in our ears. Helplessly throwing up his hands doesn't cut it. Certainly he has alternatives...get a different job! Many of the rest of us have.
H3N3 said:If you can look past the unfortunate subject line of the e-mail he's completely, 100% spot-on.
All consumers of petroleum have environmental blood on their hands, the more they consume the guiltier, and while BP needs to be held accountable (and I really don't think a fair person could read the e-mail and assert that Mr. Feinstein is saying it does not) it's not like none of us knew that off-shore drilling would result in a certain percentage of disasters just like this one. I'm relieved to see there's someone else out there who recognizes that individuals can't just absolve themselves of responsibility and blame "the system" or "the evil corporations" with gleeful abandon without wallowing in hypocrisy.
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Permalink Reply by Duppie 13.5185km on -
Clark said:The US long ago reached Hubbert's Peak, [...]
I actually had to look that one up. While I am familiar with the concept of peak oil, I wasn't aware that it was based on M.King Hubbert's work. Thanks
Clark said:Notorious Dug's specious claim that he has no alternative but to pollute, rings hollow in our ears. Helplessly throwing up his hands doesn't cut it. Certainly he has alternatives...get a different job! Many of the rest of us have.
Changing jobs might be a drastic approach, specially if you love what you do. But changing your fleet over time to more fuel efficient vehicles does not sound like rocket science. Even the CTA is switching to hybrid buses. Why? Not because of some feel-good-tree-hugging, but because it can save them considerable dollar amounts. BTW, that is also why we need a consistent high oil price. So that a business owner can be sure that if he pays more for a hybrid vehicle, he will still save money over over the expected lifetime of the vehicle.
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Permalink Reply by notoriousDUG on -
Clark said:Notorious Dug's specious claim that he has no alternative but to pollute, rings hollow in our ears. Helplessly throwing up his hands doesn't cut it. Certainly he has alternatives...get a different job! Many of the rest of us have.
What kind of a job should I get Clark? I am a heavy and industrial equipment mechanic; you tell me what these skills cross over to that will allow me to work in a 'green' industry, maintain my current income level and give up the use of a service truck and I will hop on that band wagon tomorrow.
Don't just tell me I have alternatives, tell me what they are.
I'm in the industry and I have shopped my skill set around and there is not a whole lot out there for guys like me and the scant few of them that are for 'green' companies still have me using the same stuff to get the job done; it's hard to drag a crane from job site to job site with a bicycle...
I also do not want to hear this 'throw up his hands' crap either because that is putting words in my mouth. I make an effort to never drive unless it is for work but when it comes to work. If able to choose a alternative to oil I do so; I used to drive a veggie oil powered truck I converted myself. We do not all have the luxury of an education or back ground that provides us with white collar jobs in down town office buildings.
Not to mention that if I, and every other guy who runs all over in a service truck, where to suddenly give up on using any petroleum for a month or so you would see a drastic change in the luxuries available to you... Just curious but when you need your A/C fixed do you use a company that has a guy come out in a van? Would you never use a landscape contractor that has petrol powered trucks and does not use reel mowers? Do you only eat locally grown, in season food products? Do you ever shop at a box store that uses a hub style distribution network? Do you ever have stuff delivered to you via UPS or the USPS?
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Permalink Reply by Julie Hochstadter on -
I believe the key is being seen and gently and politely encouraging others to get out of their cars, even if its not biking. I'm planning a class at my office next month called, "Alternative Modes of Transportation for the Active Realtor". If I can convert a couple more people in a profession that most people think needs to be done 100% by car then I'm doing my part. We can be ambassadors. When cyclists are rude and angry and break the rules of the road we are digressing I believe. It makes drivers HATE us.
On that note, I'm reading a book called, Pedaling Revolution: How Cyclists Are Changing American Cities by Jeff Mapes. Some of us newbies forget that it A WHOLE LOT of advocacy in the 70, 80 and 90s to get where we are (bike lanes, rights to the road, etc).
I know this conversation isn't just about transporting ourselves, its about lifestyle. One way is biking. One way is what we eat. Another way is composting, trying to use fans instead of A/C as much as possible, etc. We do what we can. Joey is trying to be an example to others.
Any of you who think he shouldn't have written that, do you know what he is doing? He started a not for profit to raise money to put solar panels in public schools via a bike ride. I'm sure he has singlehandedly turned a whole lot of inner city children into cyclists who are also now understanding their carbon footprint.
Joey also generously donated 1/2 the pizza to Chainlinks 1000 Member Party we had in Feb 2009. Thanks dude. Lawyer Jim donated the other half.
So before you go bashing him and his ideas, I just wanted to point out all the GOOD things he is doing for our world.
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Permalink Reply by Adriana on -
Oh, we are but a speck of dust in the sands of time...I just got here and I am tired of this rehashed subject.
So what makes us so special...our intelligence, our self-awareness? How does that differ from say, the dinosaurs, who had no clue that a comet was hurdling through space about to wreak havoc on the ecosystem? And the planet, it survived...it is not the planet we are concerned with, it is our own skin. Oh no the poor animals. We are animals and if it wasn't for that mass extinction, humanity would not have evolved. Nature is our biggest foe. So I say, just do your best :o) instead of pointing fingers 'no, its your fault...you consume more, your hands are bloodier than mine, I am better than you...'
or continue to fret, fret for your microbrews, fret for your wheelsets, fret for your iphones and macs, your fashionable socks, your grilled pineapple...hmmm how the hell did a pineapple get to Chicago I wonder?
I say the only solution is complete abstinence...lets all kill ourselves and save the planet.
LEARN TO SWIM
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Permalink Reply by Duppie 13.5185km on
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Adriana said:Oh, we are but a speck of dust in the sands of time...I just got here and I am tired of this rehashed subject.
So what makes us so special...our intelligence, our self-awareness? How does that differ from say, the dinosaurs, who had no clue that a comet was hurdling through space about to wreak havoc on the ecosystem? And the planet, it survived...it is not the planet we are concerned with, it is our own skin. Oh no the poor animals. We are animals and if it wasn't for that mass extinction, humanity would not have evolved. Nature is our biggest foe. So I say, just do your best :o) instead of pointing fingers 'no, its your fault...you consume more, your hands are bloodier than mine, I am better than you...'
or continue to fret, fret for your microbrews, fret for your wheelsets, fret for your iphones and macs, your fashionable socks, your grilled pineapple...hmmm how the hell did a pineapple get to Chicago I wonder?
LEARN TO SWIM
If you haven't already done so, can I suggest you read Bill Bryson’s “A Short History of Nearly Everything”? He makes a compelling case about the futility of our civilization in the grand scheme of things. Reading it while enjoying a couple of fine microbrews makes it even better.
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Permalink Reply by JKH on -
Suggesting that someone change jobs is the biggest bunch of elitist bullshit I've heard in a long time. It's easy to feel smug when you sit on your ass in front of a computer for a living. There are jobs necessary for our society that require driving. Would you suggest that everyone that is socially conscience get a job that doesn't require driving? As a fabricator I manage to use a Subaru wagon for a job that most people use a full size pickup or van. I also schedule my work so I can bike about half the time. Should I quit so someone with a F-250 takes my place. I say if you are promoting career changes everyone in a cubicle should get a job in construction and use a fuel efficient vehicle. This would do a lot more good than most of the suggestions made here.
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Permalink Reply by clp on
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Yes but the point is the same as the one that began this thread: We're each individually responsible for the larger effects of our personal actions. If you don't want to pollute, don't get a job as a truck driver...no matter how many drivers' jobs there may be. You ARE in charge of your destiny... Think Globally: Act Locally!
JKH said:Suggesting that someone change jobs is the biggest bunch of elitist bullshit I've heard in a long time. It's easy to feel smug when you sit on your ass in front of a computer for a living
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Permalink Reply by Michael Perz on -
If I could afford owning a car or having air conditioning I would totally give up both in solidarity with the people who have so selflessly committed to such noble sacrifice.
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Permalink Reply by JKH on
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It is impossible to live in our society without having a negative environmental impact and it's not enough to say I don't drive. What are you actually doing to decrease pollution? My point is that running away from the physical world isn't helping at all. Things need to move, be built, be grown and best way to help is to figure out how to do it better.
Of course we all are responsible for the current mess and we should do what we can and part of that should be boycotting BP
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Permalink Reply by cutifly on -
Just as long as you don't Bl#w yourself up at the auto show this year ...
H3N3 said:If you can look past the unfortunate subject line of the e-mail he's completely, 100% spot-on.
All consumers of petroleum have environmental blood on their hands, the more they consume the guiltier, and while BP needs to be held accountable (and I really don't think a fair person could read the e-mail and assert that Mr. Feinstein is saying it does not) it's not like none of us knew that off-shore drilling would result in a certain percentage of disasters just like this one.
I'm relieved to see there's someone else out there who recognizes that individuals can't just absolve themselves of responsibility and blame "the system" or "the evil corporations" with gleeful abandon without wallowing in hypocrisy.
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