Best Bike Locks?
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Permalink Reply by Allen Wrench on -
Well, depends on the Kryptonite chain, doesn't it? I have square and hexagonal Kryptonite chains in a couple of different thicknesses, and they changed the gauge of the New York chain last year too. I think this one is the same as the regular, rectangular Kryptonite chain. In any case, it's better than anything from the hardware store, and it's a second best to just keeping your bike with you anyway. It'll beat bolt cutters.
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Permalink Reply by Quetzalli Castro on -
I've had kryptonite and on-guard U-Locks and i've had the misfortune for loosing key's for both locks. I've experienced first hand (with the help of my local bike shop) seeing how easy and quick it can be to cut one and, in my case, set the bike free.The problem is when setting a bike "free" becomes theft. All locks can be broken, but one can always be smart and choose methods of locking your bike as well as open and well lit places to deter theives
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Permalink Reply by Kristen Donini on -
My bike was stolen yesterday with a U-lock AND a cable lock - both cut. My bike is extremely old and ratty, tires about to burst, front brake wire broken and sticking straight up in the air. Guess next bike I'll try two u-locks. Sorry I don't have an answer for your impenetrable lock question, wish I did!
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Permalink Reply by h' 1.0 on -
Kristen,
It's likely that your bike is still in that immediate area-- if you have any interest in getting it back I'd recommend grabbing a friend or two with some self-defense skills and checking some of the street folks' caches under the expressway.
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Permalink Reply by Kristen Donini on
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Where exactly do you mean I should check? I'd be more than willing to look for it, but not sure where you mean
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Permalink Reply by Adam "Cezar" Jenkins on -
Crappy looking bike is best. I have one downtown every night for the last 9 months. Hasn't been touched. Crossing my fingers though.
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Permalink Reply by Thunder Snow on -
I think lock manufacturers need to do some deep thinking and spend some r&d money about the problem of angle grinders. Grinders work best on strong sturdy stable metal, which is what lock makers strive for, as "strong and sturdy" defeats bolt cutters and hacksaws. Grinders cut by small bumps in the disk chipping away at the steel, bit by bit; man-made diamond particles, the size of grains of sand, will cut through most anything.
The way to defeat grinders, I think, is to have a soft material within the structure of the lock itself (if it was on the outside, it would just be scraped off before the thief began to grind). A soft plastic that could melt in the heat of a cutting disk might grab the disk and bind it, stopping it in its tracks. The disk would then shatter in a hundred pieces as it went from 1000 rpms to zero suddenly (sure hope you're wearing safety glasses and welder's gloves when that happens, Mr. Thief!). If the disk didn't shatter, the energy of that suddenly stopping rotating disk might get transmitted to the thief's wrists, which may break (my, what a shame).
An even softer plastic or wax core inside a lock, rather than binding up the disk, might melt and flow over the disk like melted candle wax, rendering the disk useless. Imagine pouring melted wax over a piece of sandpaper--you get the idea. If the waxy plastic substance was obnoxiously colored pink or purple, it may just spray all over the thief and the bike, making the bike hard to fence and the thief easy to identify. If a lock can ruin grinder disk after disk, the thief may give up, as having to change and replace multiple ruined disks out on the street may take too much time and cost, to make your bike a worthwhile target.
Maybe steel isn't the right material for every lock. Using the koan "the mighty oak breaks in the wind while the supple willow bends in the breeze", possibly one hardened steel lock plus one strong bendy rubbery lock is the answer, a lock that would vibrate against a cutting disk rather than cut through. Try cutting a rubber tire with a piece of sandpaper to get the same effect.
Now, obviously, this is all just brainstorming. If I knew exactly what material to use, I'd patent it and sell the rights off to the lock companies and live happily ever after. But it does seem to me to be an avenue the lock companies should be looking at--but I suspect they're happy with the status quo. Every lock that's cut is another lock purchased.
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Permalink Reply by notoriousDUG on -
Not a single thing you suggested is even close to useful.
A cutting disk will not foul that easily and softer steel is not only easier to cut with bolt cutters and the like but it is easier to grind through as well. You are also not going to stop the disk with plastic or wax; it will go through that just like butter and shattering disks and kick back so bad it can hurt you is only a reality on tools with more nuts than a 4.5" grinder.
The reason nobody has a better material for locks is because there really isn't one; unless you feel like paying for a titanium or inconel lock.
Thunder Snow said:I think lock manufacturers need to do some deep thinking and spend some r&d money about the problem of angle grinders. Grinders work best on strong sturdy stable metal, which is what lock makers strive for, as "strong and sturdy" defeats bolt cutters and hacksaws. Grinders cut by small bumps in the disk chipping away at the steel, bit by bit; man-made diamond particles, the size of grains of sand, will cut through most anything.
The way to defeat grinders, I think, is to have a soft material within the structure of the lock itself (if it was on the outside, it would just be scraped off before the thief began to grind). A soft plastic that could melt in the heat of a cutting disk might grab the disk and bind it, stopping it in its tracks. The disk would then shatter in a hundred pieces as it went from 1000 rpms to zero suddenly (sure hope you're wearing safety glasses and welder's gloves when that happens, Mr. Thief!). If the disk didn't shatter, the energy of that suddenly stopping rotating disk might get transmitted to the thief's wrists, which may break (my, what a shame).
An even softer plastic or wax core inside a lock, rather than binding up the disk, might melt and flow over the disk like melted candle wax, rendering the disk useless. Imagine pouring melted wax over a piece of sandpaper--you get the idea. If the waxy plastic substance was obnoxiously colored pink or purple, it may just spray all over the thief and the bike, making the bike hard to fence and the thief easy to identify. If a lock can ruin grinder disk after disk, the thief may give up, as having to change and replace multiple ruined disks out on the street may take too much time and cost, to make your bike a worthwhile target.
Maybe steel isn't the right material for every lock. Using the koan "the mighty oak breaks in the wind while the supple willow bends in the breeze", possibly one hardened steel lock plus one strong bendy rubbery lock is the answer, a lock that would vibrate against a cutting disk rather than cut through. Try cutting a rubber tire with a piece of sandpaper to get the same effect.
Now, obviously, this is all just brainstorming. If I knew exactly what material to use, I'd patent it and sell the rights off to the lock companies and live happily ever after. But it does seem to me to be an avenue the lock companies should be looking at--but I suspect they're happy with the status quo. Every lock that's cut is another lock purchased.
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Permalink Reply by Thunder Snow on
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Back to the drawing board, I guess. :-(
notoriousDUG said:Not a single thing you suggested is even close to useful.
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Permalink Reply by h' 1.0 on
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How about a pressurized reservoir of pig's urine that sprays everywhere when the disk hits it?
It might not stop a thief but it sure would be good to at least be able to picture them covered in the stuff.
notoriousDUG said:Not a single thing you suggested is even close to useful.
A cutting disk will not foul that easily and softer steel is not only easier to cut with bolt cutters and the like but it is easier to grind through as well. You are also not going to stop the disk with plastic or wax; it will go through that just like butter and shattering disks and kick back so bad it can hurt you is only a reality on tools with more nuts than a 4.5" grinder.
The reason nobody has a better material for locks is because there really isn't one; unless you feel like paying for a titanium or inconel lock.
Thunder Snow said:I think lock manufacturers need to do some deep thinking and spend some r&d money about the problem of angle grinders. Grinders work best on strong sturdy stable metal, which is what lock makers strive for, as "strong and sturdy" defeats bolt cutters and hacksaws. Grinders cut by small bumps in the disk chipping away at the steel, bit by bit; man-made diamond particles, the size of grains of sand, will cut through most anything.
The way to defeat grinders, I think, is to have a soft material within the structure of the lock itself (if it was on the outside, it would just be scraped off before the thief began to grind). A soft plastic that could melt in the heat of a cutting disk might grab the disk and bind it, stopping it in its tracks. The disk would then shatter in a hundred pieces as it went from 1000 rpms to zero suddenly (sure hope you're wearing safety glasses and welder's gloves when that happens, Mr. Thief!). If the disk didn't shatter, the energy of that suddenly stopping rotating disk might get transmitted to the thief's wrists, which may break (my, what a shame).
An even softer plastic or wax core inside a lock, rather than binding up the disk, might melt and flow over the disk like melted candle wax, rendering the disk useless. Imagine pouring melted wax over a piece of sandpaper--you get the idea. If the waxy plastic substance was obnoxiously colored pink or purple, it may just spray all over the thief and the bike, making the bike hard to fence and the thief easy to identify. If a lock can ruin grinder disk after disk, the thief may give up, as having to change and replace multiple ruined disks out on the street may take too much time and cost, to make your bike a worthwhile target.
Maybe steel isn't the right material for every lock. Using the koan "the mighty oak breaks in the wind while the supple willow bends in the breeze", possibly one hardened steel lock plus one strong bendy rubbery lock is the answer, a lock that would vibrate against a cutting disk rather than cut through. Try cutting a rubber tire with a piece of sandpaper to get the same effect.
Now, obviously, this is all just brainstorming. If I knew exactly what material to use, I'd patent it and sell the rights off to the lock companies and live happily ever after. But it does seem to me to be an avenue the lock companies should be looking at--but I suspect they're happy with the status quo. Every lock that's cut is another lock purchased.
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Permalink Reply by Thunder Snow on
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Mix the urine with dye, pepper spray and skunk juice and you may just have something.
h' said:How about a pressurized reservoir of pig's urine that sprays everywhere when the disk hits it?
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