Picked up on OPCC listserv per Bill W; presumably posted today.
I don't know why Active Trans didn't put a warning out about the previous incident mentioned here.
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Permalink Reply by AM 9.5 on June 29, 2012 at 9:26am Good to know. I hope Tom is OK.
I personally have come around to the protected bike lane, but the stretch from Garfield Park to Oak Park is worrisome. I have been heading south to Washington at the end of the bike lane. I know a lot of people think Washington is just as bad, but there are more motorists to see you and fewer places to hide. It's also better lit at night.
Permalink Reply by AM 9.5 on June 29, 2012 at 9:31am Oh, I see I am late for fireworks.
Andy Moss said:
Good to know. I hope Tom is OK.
I personally have come around to the protected bike lane, but the stretch from Garfield Park to Oak Park is worrisome. I have been heading south to Washington at the end of the bike lane. I know a lot of people think Washington is just as bad, but there are more motorists to see you and fewer places to hide. It's also better lit at night.
Permalink Reply by Serge Lubomudrov on June 29, 2012 at 10:28am The question is, Address it how?
So they [the Active Trans] are aware of the problem, and will be approaching people @ CDOT and the city to try and address it.
Permalink Reply by Steven Vance on June 29, 2012 at 10:30am Tom left this as a comment on Grid Chicago the other night. I forgot to do something about it but I thought people should know about this "tactic".
It reminds me of the velociraptors in "Jurassic Park". One is a decoy, while the other one, hidden, comes in from the side.
Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on June 29, 2012 at 10:37am I feel the same about Washington - more regular people out and about, fewer places to hide, better lit, more open.
Andy Moss said:
Good to know. I hope Tom is OK.
I personally have come around to the protected bike lane, but the stretch from Garfield Park to Oak Park is worrisome. I have been heading south to Washington at the end of the bike lane. I know a lot of people think Washington is just as bad, but there are more motorists to see you and fewer places to hide. It's also better lit at night.
Permalink Reply by Anne Alt on June 29, 2012 at 10:38am Great analogy.
Steven Vance said:
It reminds me of the velociraptors in "Jurassic Park". One is a decoy, while the other one, hidden, comes in from the side.

Permalink Reply by globalguy on June 29, 2012 at 10:48am I agree with the Washington assessment, especially the further east you go of Cicero. However, if you can go a bit north coming out of or going to OP, Grand and Armitage (via Austin from the west) are great - never had a problem and lots of passersby ... the bigger issue here, I believe, is when all of us are going to wake up to the nearly 40% rise in crime in Chicago especially along the CTA corridors.
I feel the same about Washington - more regular people out and about, fewer places to hide, better lit, more open.
Andy Moss said:Good to know. I hope Tom is OK.
I personally have come around to the protected bike lane, but the stretch from Garfield Park to Oak Park is worrisome. I have been heading south to Washington at the end of the bike lane. I know a lot of people think Washington is just as bad, but there are more motorists to see you and fewer places to hide. It's also better lit at night.
Permalink Reply by AM 9.5 on June 29, 2012 at 11:36am Agreed that Grand and Armitage are good, though they add a bunch of time to my commute - not that I mind, but sometimes I just need to get home ASAP. Washington is also fine from Laramie to Cicero, but the stretch between Laramie and Austin is iffy. So here's the issue: is there any reasonable way to connect Oak Park to downtown via the West Side without having to go north of Oak Park? I may just be wrong about this, but it seems like all proposals dump you in the middle of the West Side.
da' Square Wheelman (aka garth) said:
I agree with the Washington assessment, especially the further east you go of Cicero. However, if you can go a bit north coming out of or going to OP, Grand and Armitage (via Austin from the west) are great - never had a problem and lots of passersby ... the bigger issue here, I believe, is when all of us are going to wake up to the nearly 40% rise in crime in Chicago especially along the CTA corridors.
I feel the same about Washington - more regular people out and about, fewer places to hide, better lit, more open.
Andy Moss said:Good to know. I hope Tom is OK.
I personally have come around to the protected bike lane, but the stretch from Garfield Park to Oak Park is worrisome. I have been heading south to Washington at the end of the bike lane. I know a lot of people think Washington is just as bad, but there are more motorists to see you and fewer places to hide. It's also better lit at night.
Permalink Reply by Michael on June 29, 2012 at 11:44am I've been taking Harrison for a few years, and it has been good. If you want to take Washington, you can hhead south at Laramie to Jackson as an alternative to the stretch between Laramie and Austin.
Permalink Reply by AM 9.5 on June 29, 2012 at 12:04pm All the way? Where do you cross the 290?
Michael said:
I've been taking Harrison for a few years, and it has been good. If you want to take Washington, you can hhead south at Laramie to Jackson as an alternative to the stretch between Laramie and Austin.
Permalink Reply by Michael on June 29, 2012 at 12:19pm I cross at Kostner. Take a left onto Flournoy just over the bridge. Left on Kildare. Right to get back on Harrison.
Andy Moss said:
All the way? Where do you cross the 290?
Michael said:I've been taking Harrison for a few years, and it has been good. If you want to take Washington, you can hhead south at Laramie to Jackson as an alternative to the stretch between Laramie and Austin.
Permalink Reply by h' 1.0 on June 29, 2012 at 12:33pm Typically they would communicate with the Alderman's office and the district police commander to see about setting up a "special attention." Or attempt to, at least-- whether there's follow-through on the part of the ald/police is a coin-toss, at best.
Serge Lubomudrov said:
The question is, Address it how?
So they [the Active Trans] are aware of the problem, and will be approaching people @ CDOT and the city to try and address it.
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