Active Citizens Ticket Brigade?
If the city can issue tickets against photos of vehicles breaking the law robotically, why can't it leverage the cycling population to submit pictures of cars, trucks, and taxi cabs parked and/or stopped in lanes designated for cycle traffic - and issue tickets against those as well?
A pilot program seems likely to attract dozens of eager volunteers. It would raise awareness about the issue, and if it were successful, it would help keep Rage Cagers out of the bike lanes and in the streets, where they belong.
Crazy talk? Sick fantasy? Or FREE municipal revenue generator?
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Permalink Reply by Cameron 7.5 mi on -
I see a clip art picture of a hall monitor sash.
Julie Hochstadter said:there is nothing but an empty box here. Am I missing something????
your duncle said:
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Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on -
The city could license "photographers". Bonded? Insured? Certified? Whatever.
I cross Fullerton and Western often. If I were a city licensed photographer who got paid $5 for every guilty/ticket paid, I could work 2-3 hours a day at that intersection and make more than I do in 8 hours.
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Permalink Reply by Tim S on -
What are you talking about Michael, according to all car supporters cars dont run lights our stop signs.
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Permalink Reply by Chi Lowe 12.5+ mi on -
Cars don't run stop lights. People do.
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Permalink Reply by Chi Lowe 12.5+ mi on
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The final 3% Chi Lowe is River Otter. This bothered me growing up. Now I wear it like a badge of pride.
This looks very promising: ...or [any] other person designated by the city traffic compliance administrator observing such violation may issue a parking or compliance violation notice.
Unless I'm wrong, The Office of City Traffic Compliance Administrator is served ex offico by Amer Ahmad, City Comptroller... and... this is where 62% Chi Lowe kicks back in, and the train to Crazy Town stops. I simply don't have the guts to put poor Mr. Ahmad through a pitch on this fantastic idea.
It *does* solve a problem though. The city (and other Rage Cagers) would *never* tolerate people standing in the Dearborn CAR ROAD waiting for a Food Truck, or a car parking in the middle of the CAR ROAD while someone runs into the Fannie May to buy some chocolate. (Yet in the last 48 hours, I've dealt with both of these issues riding Dearborn).Trouble is, the resources required to enforce in the bike lane(s) would probably cost more than the revenue they can generate. In an age of ubiquitous camera phones, crowdsourcing reporting of violations to the people affected by it - cyclists - makes sense. Subject their submissions to the same standards as the red light cameras: 3 pictures, one of the plate.Viola - drivers learn super-fast to stay out of the bike lane, and the city gets FREE revenue.
Kevin C 4.1 mi said:I'm not sure if this speaks to the 62% cheeky Chi Lowe, the 35% not cheeky Chi Lowe or the 3% (other) Chi Lowe, but:
From Title 9-100-030 of the Chicago Municipal Code: Prima facie responsibility for violation and penalty – Parking violation issuance and removal.
(b) Whenever any vehicle exhibits a compliance violation during operation or is parked in violation of any provision of the traffic code prohibiting or restricting vehicular parking or standing or regulating the condition of a parked or standing vehicle, any police officer, traffic control aide, other designated member of the police department, parking enforcement aide or other person designated by the city traffic compliance administrator observing such violation may issue a parking or compliance violation notice, as provided for in Section 9-100-040 and serve the notice on the owner of the vehicle by handing it to the operator of the vehicle, if he is present, or by affixing it to the vehicle in a conspicuous place.
The analogy to Red Light Cameras is not a good one. The notice of violation contains photographs of the vehicle approaching the intersection, and in the intersection while the light is red. These photographs are actually excerpts of a high quality video of the offending vehicle before, during and after the alleged violation. Additionally the Municipal Code provides for standards of operation for the automated traffic law enforcement system, including posting of signs, statistical analysis reporting requirements, training of technicians, and testing of the equipment. (9-102-040 )
Chi Lowe 12.5+ mi said:I was being a 62% cheeky when I posted this. Now, as then, I'm content that it wouldn't work for all sorts of grown-up reasons but I'm inspired to create fake "notices" that raise awareness. That said, some of the replies seem uniformed.
Kevin: Not a lawyer either, but I can guarantee there is never a "reasonable doubt" standard - that's criminal law. I'd wager the evidentiary standard is "clear and convincing evidence"; best of luck convincing a judge "that's not my car" when there are pictures of your car (better, pictures of you in it) and a close up of your license plate. You would look like a crazy person, and the judge would treat you as such.
According to this page a "Red-Light" ticket isn't classified as a moving violation - it's effectively the same as a parking ticket - and you have the right to contest if you can prove (a) you received another ticket for the same violation under separate ordinance , (b) you reported the plates lost or stolen prior to the violation, (c) the vehicle was an authorized emergency vehicle or was lawfully participating in a funeral procession; (d) the facts alleged in the violation notice are inconsistent or do not support a finding that the Chicago Municipal code was violated, or (e) you were not the owner of the cited vehicle at the time of the violation. (note: paraphrased for brevity).
So the 35% of me that was not being cheeky still thinks the creation of a "Pedestrian Issued" ticket class would work from an administrative standpoint, especially if the photo taker adhered to the guidelines governing red-light tickets. One can dream.
Kevin C 4.1 mi said:
What S said, PLUS members of this Ticket Brigade had better be prepared to clear their calendars for numerous court appearances. Photographs must also be authenticated, (typically) by a person who is familiar with the scene that was photographed providing testimony that the image "truly and accurately depicts the scene as it was at the time in question."
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Permalink Reply by Duppie 13.5185km on -
Since you approach hinges on a promise of much needed revenue you must also be in favor of this idea, right?
Otherwise I will have to file this under crazy talk.
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Permalink Reply by Juan 2-8 mi. on
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When does this pilot program roll out?
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Permalink Reply by Melissa on -
I like the orange ticket idea :) . I wish we could guarantee that all cab drivers can read...English.
Btw, for the rest of us:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cager
Chi Lowe 12.5+ mi said:Oh mai. Fake tickets is genius. Official-looking Orange envelope, but inside it says "This isn't a ticket, but it could be. Please don't park in the BIKE ROAD".
Julie Hochstadter said:Maybe they could do this robotically....If a car is stopped in a certain place for more than 3 minutes a picture is taken and they get a ticket sent to them.
Another idea is make up fake tickets (obviously fake, but with a real orange envelope) and we cyclists stick them on the front of their windows as a warning....
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Permalink Reply by Joe Guzzardo on -
Hmmm, lets say for example 2 or more Chainlinkers took pics of the offender and sent them along to this site tagged with the proper information so that they end up in the same folder. Then let's say we had some sort of automated complaint system that forwarded this evidence to the appropriate municipal service. I guess what I'm suggesting is that we create something akin to the automated traffic light ticketing system until the city steps up to do it for us. Maybe the Chainlink could get a cut of the revenue as well.
Let's say the Chainlink put up some ads along the Dearborn bike lane making this known. Maybe spend some of that donation money on advertising.
Chi Lowe 12.5+ mi said:In an age of ubiquitous camera phones, crowdsourcing reporting of violations to the people affected by it - cyclists - makes sense. Subject their submissions to the same standards as the red light cameras: 3 pictures, one of the plate.
Viola - drivers learn super-fast to stay out of the bike lane, and the city gets FREE revenue.
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Permalink Reply by Tim S on
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Wow, okay.
While i understand the need to keep the bike lane clear i am NOT a fan of this form of combating the issue. I have been an outspoken critic of red light and speed cameras automating the job of ticket writing. This really is no better. not a fan of rating your neighbours out, or having cameras everywhere. 1984, THX1138, F 451, Blade Runner all of these stories paint a drab controlled dystopian society whet we are all watched all the time with both the govt and neighbours "doing the right thing".
I give em a look or the finger but will not suppprt this citizen justice brigade. Maybe its a slight over reaction to where you all are going.
Would you support a cager stopped at an intersection with a camera phone sending video via email to the city for facial recognition automated tickets for bikes running a stop sign?
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Permalink Reply by Jason W on -
The "Active Citizens Ticket Brigade" idea sounds like a bunch of neighborhood busy bodies that think they should be able to dictate the lives of everyone around them. I would actively oppose such legislation.
And yes, never going to survive legal challenge. Oh, and how long till one of the busy bodies gets shot for pissing someone off?
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Permalink Reply by in it to win it 8.0 mi on -
Back to the "fake" ticket idea. That would be cool.
I've also thought about getting a 100 of the Sticker Junkie Monkey stickers that say
"I loiter in bike lanes..." and slapping them on the back of offending vehicles. Wonder how long it would take before the driver noticed it was there?
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